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“One Nation Under GOD” what does it mean to you?

For sure, the majority of Americans believe in GOD to some degree. Republicans, Democrats and Independents, in all political denominations there are Americans who believe that it was through the power of GOD that America exists, and it is GOD who powers its future. When it comes to politics, no political party feels more emboldened to carry the religious banner than Republicans do, and now being more aligned with Evangelicals, there is no deed a bridge too far to prove they are GOD'S political messenger. I'm not a Republican, but I do believe in GOD.. and though not a Christian.. I do believe in the Christian concept of religion and in my Lord Jesus Christ whose blood sacrifice made it possible for me to exist, and to expound upon these things.. today!

It's been said that religion and politics don't mix.. of course, that's unless you happen to be a Republican/conservative.. then all bets are off. If you are Republican, please tell me why you feel your political approach to solving our many problems is right and everyone else is wrong? What does "One Nation Under GOD" mean to you?

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“One Nation Under GOD” has been used as a rouge by Republicans and right-wingers to brain wash the low IQ Americans into giving up their Freedom and Riches for the benefit of Wall Street Kabal behind such odious person as Trump. Millions are demonstrating against Hate monger in Chief Trump, as you can see here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44829539

But lil coverage of it in US Media. Very telling 😱
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Exactly Man. Republican Trump traitors “One Nation Under GOD” and oh they ares so Patriotic and Oh so the Love the Flag and Military as one SCAM after another on American People to hide their real agenda, which is to rape and pillage American people for the benefit of their Wall Street Bosses and other EVIL reasons. After all who but a True traitor would be NOT for Universal socialized health that all developed Nations have, including Israel the beloved Nation of Trump Republican and right-wing Media, and as result KILL 100,000+ Americans per Year dither due to NO
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Healthcare, or American Woman forced to have Abortion since giving Birth in USA costs typical Woman $30,000+ just for giving birth, or mass Suicides in USA since People cannot get the Mental Health care that they need, or 50,000+ killer per Year due to Opioid crisis since countless Americans cannot afford to get proper Medical care, etc. etc. wrong upon American People that Republicans and right-wing media have brought upon USA just due to their opposition to socialized health.
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“One Nation Under GOD”, of course it depends whose GOD you are referring to?
And what if People are Atheist or Agnostic?
So I think the founding fathers had it right in this regard to insist that there be a total seperation of Church and State. Because as per example of Republicans hijacking the GOD flag to screw American People out of XYZ, “One Nation Under GOD” is a recipe for disaster when and if those ruling Elites who control the Media decide to do so. As per example of Hate Mongering Donald Trump and his low IQ Bible thumbing inbreds.
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Trump Republicans are the SPAWN of Satan, and one way they been hiding this horrible fact is to be Oh so more Christian and pro-GOD. And this fact was proven again today by Trump standing next to Theresa May the Conservative Party Prime Minister of UK, because while Trump was showering May with praise, he and the members of the FAKE News ignored the facts that this Theresa May and Conservative Party of UK are:
1- 100% for their Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS)
2- 100% for their Strict Gun bans as result of which they have has ZERO mass shootings in 20 Years

Both of which Trump Republicans call: "Socialism" and "Communism" and oppose as result:
1- 50,000+ Americans are KILLED per Year due to NO Healthcare, since we lack NHS
2- 50,000+ American Woman chose Abortions per Year since giving birth costs an insane $30,000+
3- 30,000 Americans are killed per year due to our insane Gun laws

Who but SPAM of Satan would do this 😡

Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/16/why-does-it-cost-32093-just-to-give-birth-in-america
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You have nailed it. Indeed the Party that is responsible for killing 100,000+ Americans per Years, form state of Healthcare to state of Gun laws that they spouse, while they have the gaul to say that they are "Pro Life" and want Abortion banned, which Abortion they are 90% responsible for, this Party this Republican party is indeed SPAWN of Satan.
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You know what is amazing is, what is telling about what a FAKE News we have, all those Reporters today with Trump May did not ask Trump or May about Horrific state of Healthcare or Guns in USA!
I mean not one of them turn to May and say Mrs May:
You 100% support your NHS and your Strict Gun bans in UK.
What Trump Republicans call "Socialism" and "Communism", so Mrs May are your a "Socialist" and "Communist" or the guy standing next to you an utter lunatic?

NONE asked this questions!
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Yes, they did not ask May or Trump about Horrific state of Healthcare or Guns in USA, because so busy asking about NATO NATO NATO. And here is where it got even crazier, even though Trump said he has "increased US contribution to NATO...", he has not called for moving even 1 US troop out of NATO back into USA, MSNBC the right-wing Media masquerading as Liberal Media, aka FAKE News, reported it as "Trump is threatening NATO alliance", when of course he has done no such a thing. Amazing
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Incredible!!! I thought this was a Christian Religion Forum, but it is become a Political Hate Group. Bye bye christianity. I am ashemed of being part of this. Blessings to all.
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The Hate Monger in Chief are the Trumpistas and the Evangelical Christians whom supported this Uber Hate Monger.
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real-pat How is it you can continue to label tens of thousands of Evangelicals who happen to support Trump "SPAWN of Satan" when you have zero theological credential to back your ridicule? I know you think you're helping to promote a call to universal health care for USA, but you should learn that your point is always missed by those who are merely insulted by your lack of respect for the opposition. A winning strategy in every battle is - keep your friends close & your enemies even closer!
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MJ, who but the SPAWN of Satan would have the Policy positions that Republicans Trump have? And best proof of this was again yesterday when Trump was standing next to Theresa May, the Conservative Party Prime Minister of UK, and showering her with praise as Reagan did with Margarete Thatcher and this Conservative Party in UK is 100% for their Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), 100% for their strict Gun bans; which policies Republicans such as Trump call "Socialism" and "Communism"
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And lets state ALL Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. are also 100% for these same policies.
So either ALL Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. are "Socialists or Communists" or Republicans in US are complete lunatics, or WORSE the SPAWN of Satan for fully knowing that these policies that Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. 100% support are right yet opposing these for American people as a result of which
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are Killing 100,000+ Americans Per Year, from:

1- 50,000+ Americans are KILLED per Year due to NO Healthcare, since we lack NHS
2- 50,000+ American Woman chose Abortions per Year since giving birth costs an insane $30,000+
3- 30,000 Americans are killed per year due to our insane Gun laws

So who but the SPAWN of Satan would have such destructive polices against the People of her own Country where Trump Republicans as per their love of UK, Israel, etc. know what they are doing is EVIL?
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real pat - Disagreement does not equate to spiritual affiliation you claim "SPAWN of SATAN". I am a fully credentialed theologian with 40+ years of professional experience. I am NOT a "lunatic" & resent the implication that any opposition to your ideas is proof of it. Respect is a 2-way honor. In order to receive it, it must be given. If you really care about universal health care becoming a reality in the USA, then you would be more respectful of opponents in a fruitful attempt to influence
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them to accept your position & join you in implementing it. Instead, you constantly rant against & revile every seeming opponent, making sweeping generalizations, as if your comparisons are valid proof. When you use terms like 'liberal' / 'conservative', 'right' / 'left', they are often misapplied to certain topics, people, ideologies, etc. If you really want your points considered seriously, STOP the name calling & immature labeling of presumed opponents & begin a civil debate in respect.
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MJThompson thanks for your words full of christian wisdom. Just because President Trump is totally different from all other American Presidents does not make him a bad person neither makes us who believe in him a "Spawn of Satan". Hate brings hate. Yeshua / Jesus our Messiah never told us to hate anyone. He even said if we did so we'll be guilty of murder.
Yes I live like anybody else. Work 6 days a week, like the bible says. Have a house, a business, and a religious ministry.
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Through my business I buy healthcare. I do not use a gun, but let others have their right to one. I understand the frustration of many Americans, of the difficult times we live in. But Trump is not the cause of those problems. Some of those problems come from long ago. In the last 10 years we have had to many people died of gun violence, because we have been to soft on crime. Schools should have private guards making sure schools do not let guns in. Every employer should make an effort,
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like I do with my employees to give them health insurance. It is a right every person who works deserve. Government should not be our "Daddy". American man and woman should be responsible of controlling their sexual needs and make sure to bring only the kids they can afford. In our Congregation we help people who need food, health service, rent or other necesities. Thata is why we are followers of Christ. Hate will not make us better. Love will always makes us strong. Blessings to all.
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Greetings, YosefMarques.. and Peace to you and yours! Originally, I had planned to take a step back from engaging in these types of political conversation. Unfortunately, on this one I could not. In your response to a particular post submitted by MJThompson, you stated: “Just because President Trump is totally different from all other American Presidents does not make him a bad person neither makes us who believe in him a "Spawn of Satan".”
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I must say from that statement you sound almost like the POTUS, referring to racists and the protesters against them in Charlottesville, Va, when he said “there were good people on both sides.” It's true, Trump isn't like any other president I have ever seen and heard. In that respect, he is truly unique unto himself! But I don't confuse his uniqueness with my perceiving him to be a bad person.. because it is not his uniqueness as a president that makes him a bad person to me, but what
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Cont'd>> he says and does. You're right when you say “Hate brings hate” and that “Hate will not make us better.” Believe me, no one may understand that more than me. But I believe that you're wrong when you say “Government should not be our 'Daddy' because to me the aspect of government involvement means more than just women having babies, and Americans having healthcare. Isn't it logical that government should play “Daddy” than to have people take matters into their
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Cont'd>> own hands. I mean, how small do you think government is when they determine if or if NOT a woman can have an abortion, or if a 45 or 50 year old person, who had worked and paid taxes, but now receives assistance, should be sacrificed with those who selfishly work the system. I don't believe government should necessarily be smaller as much as I believe it just has to be smarter.
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Cal, I agree, "government should [not] necessarily be smaller as much as I believe it just has to be smarter. Whether or not any POTUS is 'good' or 'bad' is a judgment reserved for God. Scripture says "all have sinned". It is a ploy of the devil to trap us in 'self-righteous' behavior judging one better than another. Such judgments are based in hate, the fruit of which is obvious; prejudice, bigotry, & presumed superiority. When we detect those fruits by a person's actions, we must refrain
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from jumping to rash judgments that tend to cancel any future hope of restoration. Too many see a fault & then resort to compartmentalizing the individual as "bad", when the fact is that their actions were bad. When we consider politics, bad choices, comments, & criticisms are made regularly on BOTH sides. What I think our position as believers should be is to follow a spiritual perspective. That view should be fixed on the long-term, always allowing for grace to finish its perfect work.
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Our penal system is by design promoting such civility towards even the most heinous criminal. Life sentences may be shortened, granting time off for good behavior. Only a truly bad person is beyond redemption. To infer that any POTUS is a bad person, when merely some of their actions are bad, is unfair, unpatriotic, & a judgment that is reserved for God. Lets remember: "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" - Mt. 7:2. Criticize, complain, protest - but do not judge or hate.
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Well said, Mark! Which is one of the reasons why I would get so upset when this practicality wasn't afforded to Obama. I never met Trump personally as I did Obama, and I never felt Obama to be a bad person even knowing he had bad in him. I judged Obama before meeting him here in Philly by how he spoke and acted on screen.In person he did nothing to change my opinion. With Trump, I also judge him by how he speaks and acts on screen. Because of it, I allowed myself to grow to loathe him, instead
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Cont'd>> of feeling sorry for him. For that there exists great regret. I still believe he is not a good POTUS, but stepping back and looking from afar, prayer it seems is more fitting than loathing. And that's the truth!
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Cal, I agree & hope we all focus more on ALL issues through a godly 'prayer filter'. As for "this practicality wasn't afforded to Obama" - I don't remember the level of insult or hostility toward him as is presently levied against Trump. I can only speak sincerely of myself. I never proclaimed bad sentiment RE: Obama, or any other POTUS (Dem or Rep)! We can definitely disagree w/some points or actions (w/ anyone) without animus & vitriol. In deed, Trump is NOT presidential compared to past
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POTUS, His unique style i quite polarizing, which immediately causes a massive love/hate reaction. When he says he's for America, he automatically offends those who do not believe him. When those same people fail to consider what he has actually done rather than focusing on merely what he says, their resistance is understandable. When 90% of reported news focuses on his faults while only reporting 10% of his positive achievements, then of course, they will think less of him. Meanwhile,
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those who see the positive progress & his record of fulfilled promises made while running for office, are more forgiving of his obvious faults. No one is perfect, POTUS will ALWAYS be a sinful human being whoever it is! Instead of naming names of individuals who are guilty of misconduct & in some cases even crimes, many Americans see the system itself as corrupt, with suspicious players on BOTH sides. This was what "clean the swamp' was initiated to resolve. Career politicians on BOTH sides
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have resisted the 'non-member' new POTUS because he is a threat to their re-election. Some Americans are so tired of the way things operate in government that they accepted Trumps challenge, "what have you got to lose?" & backed his unconventional 'storm-trooper' antics. Obama was also unique (compared to past POTUS). He did things in a way unique to his style for 8 years. Because his ideas were new, he was given support to hopefully achieve them with minimal criticism from opponents. Today,
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opponents of Trump's 'new ideas' are proclaimed as 'treasonous', 'unpatriotic', worthy of 'impeachment' - NONE of which any facts prove. That is animus & vitriol, the likes of which was never CONSTANTLY levied against Obama at such levels as exist now. But that's my personal observation, gathered from research of multiple sources on BOTH sides & by contrasting it with my theological experience. May we agree on the good, remembering our national motto - together we stand, divided we fall.
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Thanks, Mark.. I will surely try, despite the difficulty. And you're right.. (somewhat) that Obama was never attacked in the manner in which Trump is attacked.. for sure.. not at this level! And I could go into my own personal observation of how Republicans treated Obama but I'm not, because it will only solicit more debate over matters of the past that cannot be changed. I can see how the POTUS' approach may seem as merely a unique style to some, but to me it's like looking into the mirror
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Cont'd>> of the 60's, a place I desire not to return. Instead, as I continue to take a step back, I'm going to take your advice. There's many things I disagree with about Trump, and few things I believe he has accomplished for the whole of America – but your advice is sound – it's better to stand together than to divide ourselves and be destroyed. Thanks Mark.. and Peace to you and yours!
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Cal, To say I appreciate your reply, is an immense understatement. I so much prefer celebrating our common interests, than squabbling over disagreements. Thank you for your personal acquiescence of our continued mutually beneficial cyber-relationship. Peace!
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"One nation under God" was a slogan that the United States adopted long ago, when almost everyone believe in the God of the Bible and went to church every sunday. Today America (USA) has change many people do not believe in the God of the Bible, a big chunk of people declare themselves atheists, and many people has seen a Bible, but NEVER read it or touch it because its to "holy". Politics in both sides just use "religion" as they need it. It does not mean anything for almost all our politicians. There are some in politics thata read the book and follow the guidelines of a "christian life", but just some. I am a Republican/conservative, never a liberal.
As a Republican/conservative I deal with life through a Bible view. There are not gray areas in between. Example: President Trump (not a perfect "christian"), is not a diplomat, but tells people what he thinks. Like with the Nato question: Why don't these countries pay the fare share NOW?. I do it in my life, why dont they? Blessings
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There are several, equally reasonable ways to acknowledge the phrase “One Nation Under God”. 1st) the official slogan of the USA, from the two-cent piece in 1864 to a Joint Resolution by the 1957 84th Congress declaring "In God We Trust" must appear on American paper currency. 2nd) the same Congress added the phrase “under God” to the pledge of allegiance. 3rd) “one nation” indicates there are many other nations, but this one acknowledges it as being under GOD. This does NOT declare it to be THE ONLY nation, as technically ALL nations are under GOD. 4th) “under” indicates submission to a higher authority, in this case GOD. Recent movements to remove these from public, government, & political arenas require legislation by Congress, since it originally became law there.
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Debate about any influence the phrase generates is of course, permitted as free speech, but to impugn the sincerity of ANYONE who advocates ANY direction, policy, or mandate as within the parameters of our nation being under God is a judgment I dare NOT make. Those who believe in the sovereignty of God as Creator certainly cannot dismiss that this whole planet & ALL life on it are under God. If you believe we ALL shall one day give an account to God of our actions & alliances - BEWARE!

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Thanks Mark.. your reply was very insightful and helpful. A problem has come up and I feel I must step away for awhile. Once my head is back on straight, you can expect that I'll be back to my old posting self once again. You were right.. there's always a more civil way to communicate. Stay frosty.. Peace!
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Mutual appreciation, as always, peace to you & yours!
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