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Posted On: 2018-06-25 11:48:20
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Does Turkey election Erdogan win mean era of 1 Man rule?


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is taking on extensive new executive powers following his outright election victory in Sunday's poll. With Parliament been weakened and the post of prime minister abolished, as measures approved in a controversial referendum last year take effect. Defeated opposition candidate Muharrem Ince said Turkey was now entering a dangerous period of "one-man rule". Do you think this is True? And if yes what must we here in Europe do?

Oder, Was mรผssen wir hier in Europa machen?
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4 months 2 weeks ago

EU needs to tell Erdogan that he needs to have fair and Democratic elections or no way they will be permitted into EU. And also cut back on EU investments into Turkey which will then cripple the Turkish economy since it depends on EU exports & imports to great degree.
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It is doubtful that any of the following will happen:

1) That the EU will demand fair democratic elections
2) That Turkey would accede to those demands even if made
3) That Turkey would ever become part of the EU regardless of the above
4) That the EU will use economic sanctions against Turkey
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4 months 1 week ago
Well how can Europe demand "fair democratic elections" in Turkey, when USA is anything but a Democracy as per the election of Psycho Trump who truly is only a savant for Wall Street, MIC & Israel lobby and obviously does not give a S***T about American People as per state of Healthcare in USA to one mass shooting after another USA to etc total National failure and embarrassment.
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4 months 1 week ago
WeinerBoy,

The EU can demand whatever it wants, REGARDLESS of who occupies the White House. The USA has NEVER been a Democracy, even before Trump.

By law, NO ONE in the USA can be denied healthcare. How can it get any better than that?

By and large, MOST mass shootings are committed by people with a left leaning political persuasion. Root out the left, the haters of America, and MOST, but NOT all mass shootings will end.

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Threat to us in Europe is not Turkey, because as dictatorial as Erdogan is he loves Turkey and Europe. Of course it would be better if Erdogan and Turkey were more Democratic. Threat to us is the regime in USA which is being lead by the Israeli Wall Street lap Dog Trump and damn be the American People and certainly then any other people. We Europeans with our American friends and all concerned People World Wide need to realize this and work to bring real change.
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Yes it is quite clear to all thinking people by now that USA is not a Democracy, but an Oligarchy run by the Axis of Wall Street Billionaires, Military Industrial Complex& Israel lobby. Results of which are fraud Obama/Clinton and Sociopath Trump. Because in a Democracy Trump Republicans would be destroyed by being voted out of every office and Obama Democrats would be down to Berine and Warren. Absolute proof of these are many, such as:
State of Health care in USA, where 100-Million+
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Americans have no Health care or affordable Health care because it is being run on for profit Wall Street basis rather than being run on Government run Universal Socialized basis as all Developed Nations run it, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Democrats & the right-wing Media. State of Guns in USA, resulting in 1 Mass shooting massacre of American People on avg per Month, while in UK where their Conservative party passed strict Gun bans 20 years a go they have not had
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a Mass shooting in 20 YEARS! So if USA was a Democracy, just based on these 2 facts Trump Republicans would be destroyed. And of course the final "insult to injury", is that the EVIL Axis that has control of US Media and hence Gov, is pissing on face of American People and saying it is MAGA Shower by electing the Psycho Trump and Wall Street hitting record after record with Psycho Trump as P.

So the current USA is last Country on Earth to lecture Erdogan and Turkey on Democracy.
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Since the U.S. is not a democracy, I fail to understand why the U.S. is pushing democracy around the world.
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Only a brain dead Moron would actually think that US is "pushing democracy around the world". After all again as per the facts above and Mountain of such facts US is not a democracy herself but an Oligarchy run by the Axis of Wall Street Billionaires, Military Industrial Complex& Israel lobby, resulting in Obama being bigger War Monger than Bush yet vast part of Wall Street Media call him "Socialist Liberal" and now a total Puppet this Triad in form of Sociopath Trump.
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Or other easier ways to see that US is anything but a Democracy and is pushing anything democracy around the world are:

1- US Supports and has armed to the Teeth the despicable barbaric Government of Islamic State of Saudi Arabia

2- US Supports and has armed to the Teeth the racist Apartheid Government of Jewish State of Israel. Keeping in mind that a religious State by definition is not a Democracy.

3- US has backed one Dictator/King/Sultan after another, from Kuwait to El Salvador etc.
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I see we have another dufus that is incapable of understanding what is written.
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Erdogan is joining the ranks of one man rulers throughout the world. Many of the EU countries in Eastern Europe already have what I would term as 'strongman rulers' (Orban of Hungary, Kurz in Austria, and others in Poland, Czech Republic, & Slovakia). It is just a matter of time before Germany and other Western European EU countries have their own versions of strongmen.

What will Germany do about Erdogan? Not likely much since Germany needs a foothold in the Middle East to counter Iran and her allies. Without Turkey Europe is pretty much at the mercy of Iran should Iran decide to shut down the Suez Canal. Turkey gives Europe the ability to counter Iran should Iran get nasty.
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You are completely wrong, and talking out of your Arssssss without any facts. None of the Countries that you have listed are under 'strongman rulers'. All those Countries you have listed are far more Democratic than USA which is under the Fascist rule of the Wall Street Billionaire Cabal leading to fraud Obama and LUNATIC Trump. And then you add to your Fox News psycho babble by the rant that: "Germany needs a foothold in the Middle East to counter Iran and her allies", when Iran has not
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4 months 2 weeks ago
invaded any Countries in last 50 Years whereas Israel has invaded Country after Country, along with their Obama_Trump Lap DOGS.

With the above facts and fact based conclusions stated, Turkey is in a mess because USA has shown her True miserable face with election Trump who somehow is even more vile and War Monger than Oblaba. So worry about the mess at Home in USA and not Europe that is doing GREAT compared to failing USA from your shameful Healthcare system to one Mass shooting after another.
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I think Zogby is quite right. That is 1st Countries of:
Hungary, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. are far more Democratic than USA. As per the facts that in any of these Countries if they were having one Mass shooting after another and their Government did nothing about is, as is the case under Republicans or Democrats in USA, that People of these Countries would Vote out and DESTROY such Government but no such a thing is happening in USA.
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Or in any of these Countries, the Government would have been Voted out long time ago, if such Gov suggested of having a Health care system that is run on for profit basis so that 10s of Millions of People in their Country would have no Health care or affordable Health care as is the case in USA. To be exact in any of these Countries someone like Donald Trump who champions the insane state of Guns in USA and opposes Universal socialized Health care would not be elected to Toilet cleaner
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So as Zog has so well said: worry about the mess at Home in USA and not Europe that is doing GREAT compared to USA, worry about the fact that a True parasitic enemy within has control of the Media in USA resulting in Fox, Rush, etc, threatening American People with "Civil War" if their right-wing lies are exposed and/or anti-American policies are challenged.

Feast at the Beast controlling your Media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqLmnfi6FAU
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Manfred, exactly. Any Country that would have the Psycho Trump as its President and its Wall Street hitting record high after another while its Main Street going down the toilet, has as its Media outlets such Hate and Fear Mongering machines as Fox, CNBC, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, etc. has nothing to lecture Turkey on their election of Erdogan, as bad as Erdogan is.
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Soggy & Manny:

1) No question that Turkey is a mess. In fact no question that EVERY country is a mess.
2) What happens in Turkey is more important than what happens in the U.S., so Turkey is worth watching.
3) Neither of you have any clue how important Turkey is to the EU. That is why the EU has given Turkey a pass in the past and why they will CONTINUE to give Turkey a pass.
4) ALL of the strongmen I listed were ELECTED in a DEMOCRATIC process, some more questionable than others.
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5) Sooner or later Germany will get its strongman, but he will NOT be elected through a democratic process.
6) Iran has been 'invading' countries for decades, usually through proxies.
7) Before this is all said and done, Iran will be allied with Egypt, Ethiopia, and others that control the Red Sea and Persian Gulf against most of the other Arab countries.
8) Iran WILL either start a war against Europe, and/or cause Europe to conquer them. No idea which.
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9) The EU cannot continue the way it is. It must either pare its membership down, or dissolve. My bet is a smaller, stronger, tighter knit group of countries all with strongmen type leaders.
10) If Iran blocks oil going through the Suez, Southern Europe will be devastated, & Northern Europe will be open to blackmail by Russia via the Nordstream pipeline.
11) Turkey is a key military location in the Mid-East and has been a military stepping stone for centuries.
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12) There is NO lack of healthcare in the U.S. However, since you are not here, there is no way you can personally know that. Relying on rumors makes you both look stupid.
13) Finally, why don't BOTH of you take your OWN advice and keep your noses out of American affairs that do not affect you in any way?

Have a good day. Watch what happens, then in 10 years come back and apologize to me.
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4 months 2 weeks ago
Sir you are a certified Republican Trump lunatic for spewing the crap that you have vomited above.

1st, No not "EVERY country is a mess". It is only USA and some poor 3rd World Countries that are a mess. After all we have ZERO mass shootings in all Europe over last 12 Months, compare this to average of 1 Mass shooting per Month in USA.

2nd, Only in the mind of Israeli War Mongers and their Media outlets they control in USA such as Fox, etc. "Iran WILL start a war against Europe"
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Manny, you need to learn to read.

1) I cannot be a Republican Trump lunatic since I have never been a Republican, never voted for Trump, and don't spend my time watching the moon.

2) I never said that Iran will start a war against Europe. Go back and look at that little word OR in what I said, then come back and apologize for not reading what I wrote.

3) Unfortunately for both of us, that vomit is spot on, like it or not.
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Sir you are a Republican Trump lunatic as per the garbage that you have written in response above. Because only a Republican Trump lunatic, made into a lunatic by Fox and other lying Media outlets in USA, would write the trash that you have written.

Such as quoting, repeat quoting, from your writing:
"8) Iran WILL either start a war against Europe"
"9) The EU cannot continue the way it is. It must either pare its membership down, or dissolve"

Idiotic FALSE. Insane FALSE.
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In fact US, Israeli controlled Media via their control of Wall Street, been writing since US economy crashed in 2008 that "Euro is going to collapse", etc. about "EU dissolution". And not Euro has not collapsed, but Euro remains far more valuable than the miserable US Dollar. And Euro and Europe will remain KING to US Dollar as long as USA is run by Israeli Wall Street Billionaires leading to Barak Hussein Osama and now the Psycho Trump.

Und das ist alles von mir รผber diese Frage. Guten Tag.
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4 months 2 weeks ago
Manny,

You did NOT quote me correctly. Picking and choosing what you WANT to believe is the same as LYING. MIS-quoting me makes YOU a LIAR.

And I see you STILL have not read what I said. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to be a Republican Trump lunatic getting lies from Fox.

1) I am NOT a Republican. I have NEVER voted Republican. I will NEVER vote Republican.
2) I did NOT vote for Trump.
3) I do NOT worship the moon.
4) I CANNOT watch left-wing Fox.

I suggest you learn to read.
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erdogan is a dictator with his own propaganda tv channels
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I think Edrogan is love by People of Turkey.
He may not be all Democracy driven, but then hey look at USA where a total Evil F***k of Trump is the President. So as bad as Edrogan is, he is far better than that total Evil F***k of Trump and you dont see Europeans having a fit over Trump.
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Well many here in Europe are very sad and upset about the clown in USA called Trump. But that does not mean we should give Edrogan pass to rule as Dictator.
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Lets not forget that Turkey is a NATO member so Europeans and Americans have reasons to see that there is a Stable Democratic Turkey in play. But I agree all this been made nearly impossible with Trump the Hate Monger in Chief in USA making criticism of someone like Edrogan impossible.
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Just because USA is under attack by a True Evil Enemy within leading to Psychopath Trump does not mean Europe should accept Erdogan being a Dictator at door steps of Europe.
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Gurd, the question is what do the 20 Million Turkish decedents in Germany think about Edrogan! As they have great influence over what happens in Ankara and Istanbul. Agree?
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Manfred, 1st there are not 20 Million Turks in Germany, but more like 3 Million. Here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany

2nd, the question is what should Europe do about Erdogan who is clearly a Dictator, at door steps of Europe.
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Zogby, I think it is high time that Germany and in fact all of Europe got out of NATO. There was ample reason to do so before Trump the Sociopath becoming leader of USA, now that it has it is high time Europe end NATO since any Country that would elect that Sociopath Trump whom for example calls Socialized Healthcare we have in all European countries being "Communism" is a person so nuts that we should have nothing to do with.
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Manfred. I totally agreed with you about Europe needing to end NATO given the vast total difference between what European Nations believe in and what the Republicans in USA believe in, such as Republicans in USA calling your Socialized Healthcare to be "Communism" and other crazy positions they have, such as their position on Guns. So this is not just Trump but all Republicans and Wall Street based right-wing Media in USA are this crazy compared to Conservatives in Europe.
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Legare, yes it is high times for Conservatives in Europe to wake up and realize that Republicans in USA, leading to Sociopath Trump, are not Conservatives but just lunatics. However, this does not change the Erdogan question.
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*** NOT RELATED TO OP ***
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Incredible scenes in Istanbul today as the Turkish opposition rally against Erdogan and his endeavours to move the country towards dictatorship. Well over a million in attendance with some claiming up to 5 million could be present.
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4 months 2 weeks ago
Where is your evidence of these "Incredible scenes in Istanbul today"? I see no such demonstrations in Istanbul today today at all.
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Yes I just checked the News, from spiegel.de to bbc, I see no such reporting.Du kiffst madam :)
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