Well in that case Jesus would destroy the Wall Street based businesses such as Amazon, Google and all the Health insurance companies in USA that are all about making Max money, hence Max profits and share prices on Wall Street.
Greetings, farista, and everyone here at Anoox! I must say, Wall Street has been getting much attention from the hearts and minds of many here in this forum. With such focus, the tendency is to neglect the real problems, which are the everyday people in the USA. So eager to blame while seldom STOPPING to fully understand the CAUSE of such things.. having such an AFFECT on the lives of so many.. not just here in the 'good-ole' USA.. but throughout the World! Truthfully, there is MUCH blame
Cont'd>> to be handed out. But here I've noticed, especially here at Anoox, blame doesn't seem to WANT to resolve.. it only WANTS to intensify! For all of us, I suggest we look to ourselves. Know that we are doing what is right in the eyes of GOD. And, within ourselves, BUILD a resolution to the BLAME that we may find 'true' peace and security in what GOD Himself has promised. Remember, everyone is not Wall Street.. nor Amazon.. nor WalMart.. nor any of those larger and less caring
Cont'd>> MONEY and POWER seekers. They are also of the SMALLER variety.. supported by the common folk whom have bought into the idea of 'WORLDLY-PROSPERITY' in search of the nearly always elusive DREAM of MONEY and POWER.. the common folk.. spending much time blaming anyone and everyone for what ails the planet.. and forgetting they have very little (if any) control over what is taking place. The invisible powers shaping our blanet often times go unnoticed.. because it is the
Cont'd>> common folk failing to concentrate on what is MOST important.. which is our relationship with GOD, the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, who is coming! Share the Peace!
Okinawa - Amen! Until & unlesss every individual stops blaming others & takes personal responsibiliy there will never be equitable change.Each person must understand that we are either part of the SOLUTION or we are THE PROBLEM! Peace!
MJ, Wall Street has spend and is spending 100s of Billions of Dollars per year to make sure that American People do not have something as basic and essential as Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), something that 100% of all developed Nations have, the lack of which NHS is:
A- Killing 50,000 Americans per Year due to NO healthcare
B- Bankrupting 2-Mill+ Americans
and you think we should NOT blame Wall Street for this and blame ourselves instead. Really!
And Amazon, Facebook, Fox news, CNBC, CNN, etc. are a part and parcel of this Wall Street Money/Cabal.
Now why has Wall Street has spent $100s of Billions of Dollars to fight American People having NHS? Because they make an EXTRA $1-Trillion per Year by operating Healthcare on for profit Wall Street basis.
For more Google or Anoox:
State of Healthcare in USA, leading to Joke that is ObamaCare, aka RomneyCare light, aka un-affordable Wall Street rip off, is ultimate proof of their lies
World Traveler - I just spent two weeks in the hospital entirely paid by the State of California's Medi-Cal Insurance - alll doctors, procedures & prescriptions.. So, what is wrong with US Health care? Ten years ago such hospitalization would have indeed bankrupt me, but thanks to recent legislation health care has greatly improved. Keep up with RECENT news, not outdated rhetoric being constantly parroted by extremist propaganda!
My personal experience trumps ALL such meaningless retorts.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing . Edmund Burke.
MJ Hope you are feeling much better now and hope it wasn't too serious. I agree with you. Rather than place all the blame on the government, healthcare, gun laws, the Illuminati, the skull and bones, the American constitution, the Bilderberg group, the Israeli lobby etc we (the citizens) must 1st and foremost blame ourselves for it is our ignorance and tacit approval of what they do that ...
empowers them. World Traveler keeps ranting about healthcare but what has he done to improve healthcare? Change cannot not come when we hand over all our power and rights to a select few and then sit down, fold our arms and expect them to change things. We must be actively involved in change and it must happen on an individual basis. Be the change you want to see in the world. We must not only talk the talk, we must walk the walk.
As much as "some" of World_Traveler and his fellow army of healthcare reformer's recycled views are true, all the ranting, raging and labeling in the world cannot change the healthcare system in the US. Only actions can change them. Although some would argue that the current healthcare setup in the US has been beneficial to them, anyone is dissatisfied with it, the 1st step they should take should be to move to so called 'better' countries like Canada, UK, and Denmark.
Continually staying and reaping the benefits of a country that falls below the healthcare standard is sheer hypocrisy. Edward Snowden claimed he was appalled by the way that the NSA handled peoples personal info. So what did he do? Did he just sit back, enjoy the benefits of his job at the nsa and murmur quietly? No. He left the US, leaving behind a very rewarding job and the comfort of seeing his family at will and even though there are some who doubt the genuineness of his intentions,
..his actions led to 'few' changes in the way data is handled.
Evil exists because we are not ready to take a definite stand. If you love color red, then stick with color red. Don't settle for blue or yellow cuz when you do, you show that you never really loved red after all.
If you despise government policies, then stop voting for those that promote them. In the words of Frank Brady " ... . By continuing to vote you are voluntarily perpetuating a fraud and telling the Controllers that they can still count on you. I know that not voting is almost impossible to imagine if you've been voting all of your life. However, it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. The country is dying and there are absolutely no differences worth talking..
about between the "Republican" and "Democrat" wings of the Washington Party and their politicians. If you feel you must vote because of local issues, write in "NOTA" (none of the above) on ballot spots reserved for "national" candidates. Stop voluntarily communicating with any elected federal officials. No letters. No e-mails. No telephone calls. No contact. Nothing. Stop participating in your own enslavement by conferring upon them a legitimacy that they do not deserve.
If you love their..
policies then keep voting for them but if you dont, then stop empowering them and complaining because your vote for them shows that you are complicit in what they do.
Hello BERRINTON.. I agree much, but allow me to emphasize what MJ stated: Healthcare here in America is much better now than at any time in the history of this country. Even back when individual "family doctors" made home visits, the healthcare situation is much better. People who couldn't afford hospital stays, were forced to suffer due to the enormous costs applied. Can it get better? I'm sure it can! But without what we have today, many would die.. or at the very least, put to suffer
@Okinawa1985 Cool. I have chosen to remain neutral because I want to respect both sides of the debate. You and mj claim it is beneficial and World_Traveler condemns it. My point is it would be a better option for World_Traveler to relocate to a country where healthcare is better since he loathes the healthcare system of the US and tends to be against anyone who speaks in favor of the policies promoted by the Government instead of calling people more honorable than him morons..
and peddling the same ideas across anoox. All people like world_traveler need to do is take the next flight to a 'better' European country (or better still relocate to nearby Canada) .
Why castigate a Country you actively benefit/ have benefited from? Why stay in hell when you can move to heaven?
BERRINTON.. Understood! I read the frustration in your post. Unfortunately, what you suggest World_Traveler do, is something we hear a lot of these days: "If you don't like it.. leave!" I would like to think this isn't your 'true' feeling, since we are all made indigenous to this land because of our ancestors who have long sense left us. World_Traveler must learn to understand that here, in the USA, we are a Capitalistic Country.. where 'free-enterprise' has long sense been declared
Cont'd>> the Order of the Day! We are what we are. And with what we are, there is always room for improvement. And it will come. We simple have to show patience and focus our hearts on the things that truly matter. Those things are invisible to the naked eye!
Certainly not @Okinawa1985. Like @World_Traveler, there are quite a number government policies that I do not agree with but unlike Him, I do not live in the delusion that other countries are Healthcare havens. I recognize the unique advantages of living in various countries and I also realize that each country has their unique challenges and as a Christian I realize that this world is not home so there is no where to run to till the day I die, I have to live here..
..so since I have to live here, I must learn to understand that the world system will always be imperfect wherever I find myself. Whether it be canada, us, britain, denmark norway etc, the world system is flawed. So I do not expect perfection anywhere. But I do my best (by God's grace) to avoid making choices that fuel the imperfection.
MJThompson, you said "I just spent two weeks in the hospital entirely paid by the State of California's Medi-Cal Insurance..." Really!
That is a total lie.
Proof: I just had a Healthcare need for a family member, and the Deductibles and Co-pay came to $21,000 FUCKING Dollars.
Or lets put it this way: give me your Credit Card and when I go to the Hospital I will either charge your card ZERO because the cost will be entirely paid for by State of Florida, OR
or your card will be charged $15,000 and More that Hospitals typically bill in this Country for even a few days care, since USA does not have Socialized Healthcare like all other Developed Nations have. Go ahead Ahole, put your Money where your Mouth is.
Or what the FAWK you call these:
33% of Americans cannot afford their Healthcare bills
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/28/avoid-the-pain-of-a-surprise-medical-bill.html
25% of Americans with insurance don’t have enough assets to pay Deductibles on their policies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/health-insurance-deductibles_n_7337406.html
Health-Care Costs in Retirement Rise to $240,000
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341532
Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php
Interestingly, over 1,000 people a day (up to 440,000 annually) apparently die FROM HAVING AVAILABLE HEALTHCARE and 10,000 are seriously injured at a cost of 1 trillion dollars a year.
Journal of Patient Safety & Leapfrog
World_Traveler: Stop exaggerating and CLEAN your mouth. You can't possibly prove MJThompson to wrong based on what happened with your family member. What you said is sickening and was VOMITED from your mouth because you were initially disagreed with. Your situation is yours.. leave everyone else to theirs. What a despicable flow of unwarranted emotion. Absolutely DISGUSTING!
@Okinawa1985, it appears @World_Traveler s MJ'S sidekick. That's how he knows so much about Him. He practically follows Him everywhere and he was there at the Hospital with Him so that's how he knows its a lie. Silence is the best answer for a .....
Okinawa1985, NO. Not based on what happened to my Family member but based on the FACT that 100-Million+ Americans have NO affordable healthcare, since unlike all developed Nations USA does not have something as basic and essential as Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), something that all Developed Nations have. Or as per the facts that:
33% of Americans cannot afford their Healthcare bills
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/28/avoid-the-pain-of-a-surprise-medical-bill.html
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/05/bankruptcy.medical.bills/
(USA) Health-Care Costs in Retirement Rise to $240,000
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47341532
Mitt Romney Praises Socialized Health Care, As Long As It's Not American
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/07/mitt-romney-praises-socialized-healthcare-long-its-not-american
Or read:
http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=34590
None of which horrendous facts with catastrophe that Healthcare was for many Americans does ObamaCare, aka RomneyCare light, changes because it continues to operate Healthcare on for profit Wall Street basis, rather than on not-for-profit Government run Universal Socialized basis (aka NHS), which is only way to run the Healthcare of a Country.
More:
http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=64892
or:
Physicians for Single-Payer Healthcare
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources
So what does your so called 'fact' that 100-Million+ Americans have NO affordable healthcare have to do with the fact that MJ's bills were entirely covered by the State of California's Medi-Cal Insurance? Well I forgot you are his sidekick and you were there with him so that's how you know he lied.
My goodness World_Traveler: Through all of some 21.3 years that I spent in the military (both the Air.. Army National Guard & U. S. Marine Corps) I've had the opportunity to visit 12 foreign countries (14 if you count Alaska & Hawaii which, although naturally are a part of the US, they were like living in two other worlds) and 32 CONUS states. Of the 12 foreign countries, only Canada and Gitmo Cuba had what I could classify as above average healthcare.
Of course, there foreign travels were between 1981-1987. Austrailia, Japan & Ireland were among the best, and at that particular time in my life, the United States were considered as one of the worst, due to the enormous amount of families (& individuals) who had no healthcare (through non-affordability) at all. I got that.. I get it now! However, since Obamacare, despite the absolute lies and distortions obviously many of you have bought into.. made possible by MOST of the Republicans and
Cont'd>> the far-far right, including TEA-party members whom, literally, hate President Obama.. healthcare here in America has gotten much better for some 20,000,000 Americans who had previously had to go without it due to its (MOSTLY) deregulated and (VERY) inflated costs. Here's what I suggest you do. I already have, but I'd like you to check out the states (along with their regions) of Republicans, Democrats and Independents, and see for yourself why Obamacare has become such a debate
Cont'd>> spread with outright lies and UTTER distortions. You rant and rave over Universal Healthcare as if America has no healthcare in place at all. That's why I have saved this for last: In terms of research and development, the United States of America ranks at the top with regards to healthcare in general. Well above what it was back in 1981-1987 in part of my military life. Now, add to that the MANY MANY countries that have no TRUE healthcare at all. Whose only means of getting
Cont'd>> it is through World-Volunteers (missionary work) and donations. My major point to make.. healthcare in America could have been 100-times better than even now, if the not-so-invisible bane of Eugenics wasn't so important to the "mentally diseased" (bigoted) portion of the so-called civilized sections of America. Identify this portion of America, World_Traveler, and you'll understand better why Universal Healthcare will never, ever come to the United States of America.. PEACE!
The Question Is Did Jesus Celebrate His Own Birthday. The Answer Is No. It Was Against His Religion. It was not a Jewish custom To celebrate birthdays because of the origin of this tradition being involved with mystacism/spiritism. In Fact There are Only 2 Birthdays Mentioned in the Bible. That Of Pharaohs and King Herod, the man who had John the Baptist decapitated. If you chose not to participate in a yearly celebration because the origin of it was viewed to be disrespectful to your father
@Sal1 Jesus did not celebrate his birthday true. But your statement " It Was Against His Religion" is misleading because Jesus didn't have a religion. Jesus is God. He didn't come to create a new religion or to practice an existing religion. He came to show us life true life, eternal life which is himself. Besides, your statement " In Fact There are Only 2 Birthdays
Mentioned in the Bible. That Of Pharaohs and King Herod, the man who had John the Baptist decapitated" is irrelevant. The Bible
never said anything about Jesus eating pears and ice cream. Does that make eating pears and ice cream a sin? Judas recommended that Mary give the expensive perfume to the poor rather than use it on Jesus. Does that make giving perfume to the poor a sin (on account of the fact that Judas recommended it)
We must not get sentimental about issues. We must understand the real reason why Xmas is an abomination. It is an abomination simply because founded on paganism and it is all about the ...
celebration of the rebirth of the occult sun/light (or what kabalists refer as ohr) which is observed at the symbolic period of the winter solstice(when the sun is said to die and rise from the dead) This symbolic rebirth represents the initiation into the mysteries of satan (or the awakening from the slumber of a five sense world view) and it culminates in the summer solstice. (i.e full sun or occult consciousness)
Christmas is an abomination not merely because it has nothing to do with Jesus (the Bible never said anything about Jesus being born on the 25th or any day in particular) or because it celebrates Jesus birthday (the Bible never told us to celebrate Jesus birthday, whether it be July October December etc) It is an abomination because it is founded on the devil and the kaballistic (i.e esoteric) mysteries that are inherent in all religions. That satan i.e their god is the light to be worshiped.
Lol Mr Berrinton. You made me chuckle. It seems as though your being Argumentative for the sake of being Argumentative. When theirs really nothing to debate about.1)We're both in agreement on the validity of the Christmas celebration. 2) Not everybody is as knowledgable as you and I so sometimes you have to use words that common people can comprehend. The word religion is commonly used to distinguish a specific group and set of beleifs. I also used the words
"It was not JEWISH CUSTOM" which only added emphasis to the fact that I used the word religion. The fact that It was not a JEWISH CUSTOM to participate in the celebration of birthdays is not privalidged information it is a commonly accepted fact, and I fail to see what pairs and icecream has anything to do with the topic of discussion. Every SENTENCE i said was correct and all you did was expound on what I said. Im not upset im confused, like their isnt already enough division amongst
the various sects of the Christain RELIGION than to have 2 Christians who are in agreement with each other to even find a reason to debate when their on the same page. All I can do is just chuckle. lol
Lol mr sal1 ,You make a big mistake when you chuckle at concepts you do not properly understand rather than carefully read them. I think the very 1st sentence of my reply to you made it very clear that you were correct (i.e I was in agreement) when you wrote:"Jesus did not celebrate his birthday. So I wonder why you wrote :)We're both in
agreement on the validity of the Christmas celebration. My dispute with you is not the fact that you claim that Jesus wasnt born on the 25th.
and my disagreement with you is not borne out of the desire to be argumentative. I was very clear why I disagreed with you so I wonder why you decided to chuckle rather than fully digest the reason for my disagreement. In case you didnt read what I wrote, I disagreed with you because you wrote " " It Was Against "His"
Religion" . Jesus had no religion so no matter how you attempt to roll the dice, that statement is wrong because Jesus had no religion.
I also disagreed with the fact that you 'implied' that the fact that bad things happened on Pharaoh's bday and Herod's bday was a sign that birthdays were evil. Besides, I never claimed to be superior to anyone. Christians are supposed to be a 'peculiar' generation but they are only peculiar on account of Christ. I am a very normal/common man in an eternal relationship with an extraordinary God.
Berrinton: "@Sal1 Jesus did not celebrate his birthday true."
Berrinton:" My DISPUTE with you is not the
fact that you claim that Jesus wasnt born on the 25th."
Sal: Ok so you agree with me but then you have a dispute? I was addressing your dispute. Clearly. I never made a claim about what date Jesus was born. That was a type when i talked about the validity of his birthdate.
Berrinton: "why I disagreed with you"
Berrinton: I wonder why you decided to chuckle rather than
fully digest the reason for my disagreement
Berrinton: also disagreed with the fact that you 'implied' that the fact that bad things happened on Pharaoh's bday and Herod's bday was a sign that birthdays were evil
Berrinton: I think the very 1st sentence of my reply to
you made it very clear that you were correct
I never said birth days are evil. Thats what YOU said. O I get it. Your A Christian who celebrates his birthday, am I right?
Christ Did not celebrate his birthday. FACT/ Why did Jesus not celebrate his birthday? Berrinton: "It is an abomination because it is founded on the
devil and the kaballistic (i.e esoteric) mysteries that are inherent in all religions." FACT. Shouldwe as Christians who strive to imitate Christ observe this man made tradition?
1 Peter 2:21 In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,+ leaving a model for you to follow his steps CLOSELY.+
1. Jesus didnt celebrate his birthday
2. His deciples in the bible didnt celebrate his birthday
3. Birthdays have root in pagan religion
4. Is practicing this pagan tradition following in Christ steps CLOSELY?
I dont chat online much. At time when in disputes I have to remind myself that so much gets lost in translation, and if we were face to face we would be able to understand each other better. I enjoy talking about this kind of stuff because its so rare these days you can have a convo like this. I cherish your feed back.
Religion:a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I try not to get caught up in debates over words. Then you get so caught up in petty elementry disagreement that takes away from talking about Gods word.
2 Timothy 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things, instructing* them before God not to fight about words, something of no usefulness at all because it harms* those listening.
sal1 you appear to be quite confused and I am not surprised because rather than read the content of replies, you chuckle. Chuckling wont get you anywhere. 1st of all, the very 1st sentence of my reply to you made it clear that I agreed with you on this: Jesus did not celebrate his birthday. So there was no dispute about that and I made it pretty clear that you were correct so I wonder why you keep drumming and harping about it despite the fact that you willingly QUOTED my agreement with you.
2nd of all you made many claims. You didn't just claim Jesus did not celebrate his birthday and leave it at that. You delved into Pharaoh and Joseph. You made a very ridiculous and ignorant claim It Was Against "His Religion" which clearly implies that Jesus had a religion. my disagreements with you were on the basis of those statements so rather than beat around the bush by continually referring to the fact that I agreed with you on one point, why don't you quit chuckling and ...
address my disagreements. Jesus had no religion. Contrary to your definition, Christianity is not a religion. It is not a belief. It is reality. It is the way things are. It is seeing things in their proper perspective. Jesus did not claim to teach the way. Jesus said: I am the way. Jesus did not claim to teach the truth. He claimed: I myself am the truth. Jesus did not claim to show the way to life or to lead us to life. He claimed I myself am the life. Jesus is life. Jesus is not belief.
When I see things in the presence of light i do not merely believe that they exist. I know that they exist. But a blind man comes accross objects that he is not familiar with, he has to believe what the seeing man tells him that they are. In the same way Jesus is himself light (John 8:12). He is the light that spiritual realities are perceived in. As the physical sun makes manifest physical things so also Christ makes manifest the spiritual world so it is totally ridiculous..
..ignorant and out of place to write this of Christ "" It Was Against "His"
Religion" Finally, unlike you, I read I don't chuckle at replies. From your posts across anoox and the links you posted, it was evident that you have an affinity towards (are possibly a member of) the Jehovah's witness and those who know a thing or two about them know that they are against celebrating birthdays. Dogma's blind. When you come to Christ looking through the 'glasses' of sects, you would never...
..be able to perceive him as he is. Look at Christ as he is (1 John 3:2) not as sects tell you he is. If you read the account of Herod and John the Baptist carefully and without the bias of being affiliated with the jw's, then you would realize that Herod did "not" intend to murder on his birthday. The murder was unexpected and unplanned for. His birthday was only intended as a harmless celebration till his daughter asked for John's head and because he had already vowed to do whatever she..
..wanted, he went along 'reluctantly. Lets not forget that the same pharaoh that murdered on his birthday was the same person that elevated Joseph so why didn't Joseph reject his offer?' why criticize birthdays on the basis of the fact that evil happened on the 2 'recorded' birthdays in the Bible? Shallow Christianity gives birth to shallow and blind spirituality. Should we stop eating bread on account of the fact that Jesus gave a sop to betrayer Judas?
Using the birthdays of Herod and Pharaoh as an excuse to avoid bdays is equivalent to claiming that having Ice cream is evil because It wasn't on record in the Bible that Jesus had ice cream . Very ridiculous.
We must stop dwelling on fables and frivolities and understand the real reason why Xmas is a scam. Because it is founded on the pagan mysteries. Because it is about the veneration of satan, the false light of this world.
Here is my answer to your unfounded claim "Birthdays have root in pagan religion" Bread is a well known pagan symbol and it is referred to as the food of the gods in some traditions so why do Jehovah's witness eat bread?
Cuneiform is a system of writing first developed by the ancient pagan Sumerians so why are you writing to reply to me?
Operative Freemasons are credited with coming up with the design of most modern buildings so why do you live and worship in buildings?
Procter and Gamble were rumored to pay their tithes to the devil so does that make everyone who uses their products a devil?
Jehovah's witness believe that Jesus was crucified on an upright stake (stauros) The stake is an occult symbol.
Apples are often depicted as divine food that grant immortality in pagan mysteries does that make those that eat apples pagans?
Everything has occult connotations. Symbols are the language of the mysteries. The car you use, the design of the buildings you go, the seats you sit down on the logos on the brands you use, the logos on the tv shows you watch. But in Christ we gain victory over the world. And that is why the Bible tells us :To the pure, "all" things are pure ; but to the defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. 1 Tim 1:15. That is why Paul tells us..
... meat and drink commends us not to God but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy ghost. Xmas is founded on paganism and satanism but it is wrong to condemn those that"ignorantly" but genuinely' observe it as a celebration of the birth of Christ as hell bound heretics. Birthdays may or may not be founded on paganism but even if they are, it is wrong to condemn all that do it with good intentions as evil. Bread might be the food of the gods in paganism but to us in Christ neither if...
besides, when pharaohs were crowned in ancient Egypt they were considered to have transformed into gods. This divine promotion made their coronation date much more important than their birth into the world. An Egyptologist Dr. James Hoffmeier believes the Pharaoh's coronation date rather than his date of birth is considered his birthday, since that would have been the Pharaoh's "birth" as a god. Similarly in occult traditions, the spiritual rebirth or what mystics refer to as...
..initiation into the mysteries (What Xmas and Easter symbolize) is considered the real birth of an individual on the basis of the fact that the 2nd or spiritual birth is considered to be the birth into reality or the real self (1st birth is considered to be a birth into the illusion of the sense world i.e the fake self) so following this interpretation, when the Bible refers to the birthday of Pharaoh, it "might" not have meant his "physical birthdate, It is 'possible' that it was referring..
Im sorry you did all of this typing for nothing. All I did was read the first two sentences and decided to throw in the towel. I respect how you feel though. Good Day.
When in art class in college and a model steps in the middle of the room(not nude lol) to be drawn by a room full of students. The teacher will judge the students according to the results. Not every one has the same skill level the teacher is ok with this as long as you do your best. But if he looks at the drawings when the class is over and he sees sponge bob drawings, heathcliffs drawings, power ranger drawigs. This is a complete perversion and negligence to imitae the model he has provided
Sal1 Lol That's a smart way of saying, If I admit that I read what you wrote, it will crush my argument and expose the fact that my claims were wrong. Nice try man, However, I wasn't fooled. No wonder you were so confused. You were chuckling and 'reading two sentences' rather than reading objectively and holistically.
for us to learn how to draw from. 1 peter 2:21 In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,+ leaving a MODEL for you to follow his steps CLOSELY. There are many things I enjoyed in my ignorance of the truth, but I gave these things up and imitated the Model of Christ so that I could walk in his footsteps and follow his steps closely.
And your model analogy is very misleading because teachers don't judge you based on efforts They judge you based on performance. So your statement "is ok" with this as long as you
do "your best" is not an accurate reflection of reality It is not necessarily the child that reads the hardest but the one that provides the most accurate answer (in the eyes of the teacher) that passes the exam. We must strive for perfection cuz God is not gonna accept I tried my best but failed from us.
And we are not called to "imitate Christ" We are called to surrender to Christ so he can live his life through us. Imitation is not reality. Imitation is law that Christ came to abolish. Imitation is doing. Christianity founded on Christ is being.
I respect how you feel now can you stop harassing me? Jesus didnt chase people down the street when people didnt agree with him lol. If I have to say it one more time I will have to report you.
Lol when I respond to your posts, I harass. But when you respond to my posts you respect. That is double standard mr sal1. Think before you reply please. Jesus told people the bitter truth that saves the soul. He called them Serpents, generation of vipers and asked how they will escape the damnation of hell. He called them of their father the devil.
Are you familiar with what the words I throw in the towel means? How about I wave the white flag? How about stop harassing me the conversation is over. I dont argue when it comes to the Bible. Peace is a fruitage of Gods spirit. Those who have it dont argue, they respect others belief and move on. In order to rep God properly you not only need Book knowledge but his spirit.
Wow clap for yourself for implying that sal1 has the spirit and berrinton has book knowledge. You are not harassing me when you threaten to report me. You are not harassing me when you imply that I have book knowledge but I am harassing you because I told you the truth. If you had known that you didn't want 'harassment' then you shouldn't have replied. This site is dedicated to debates. You raised an issue and I responded so if you don't like replies then refrain from posting.
No peace without truth. The truth must not be sacrificed on the altar of peace and fellowship. Any peace that is founded on lies and tolerance rather than truth is a false peace.
Your whole posture is argumentative. All this talk about what Im suggesting. If you would have just called it quits we could have picked it up later. My religion requires me to speak to people in public. I've spoken to thousands of people about the Bible. I have more expereince doing it than most, and from my experience I know when to throw in the towel based on how the convo is going. I dont argue or debate. Thats when I cut it off. When they get started about what im calling them
Lol I thought you had said your bye byes. Wow so noble, you don't argue or debate but you joined a website dedicated to debates. What a silly idea. That is what people refer to as cognitive dissonance, when your actions contradict your beliefs. You should have reflected carefully before joining and since you decided to post on a site dedicated to debates, you ought to have realized that it was only normal for people to reply to your posts.
He does not mind that the people have celebrations, however he would prefer that they celebrate him on his birthday rather than other things. A santy clause sliding down chimneys, elves and flying reindeers? really? People really should grow up. It is CHRISTmas, not santamas, nor Happy holidays, nor season greetings: It is Merry Christmas people- CHRIST's birthday, not a santa's birthday, nor a season's birthday, nor a holiday's birthday, but it is CHRIST The Savior's birthday. Is anybody offended by this truth? Then I suggest that you get saved by the hand of the only Savior for all mankind, Yeshuah ha Meshiah. Then you too can celebrate the One who saved you.
Unfortunately, delphradio, this is what mankind's desires to change the reality of truth has brought us. So-called Christians, not willing to concede to such things as simply being a matter of their choice.. their conscience.. but rather, feel they must affix their own version of what is truth and what is lie. To some, December 25th will always be Christ's birthday.. while others, such as you and I, will be content with the knowledge that Christ died for us and knowing that is
Delphradio is write. Dec 25 is not his birthday. It was and is not a Jewish Custom to participate in this type of tradition because its origin was stepped in mysticism and spiriticm. John 4:24 says That God is a Spirit and those worshping him MUST worship him with spirit and TRUTH. The first of the only 2 birthdays mentioned in the bible was that of pharoes.
Did Jewish people or Christians who were contemporaries of Christ conclude, that the celebration of birthdays has been out so long its ok to celebrate them now. No. Should modern day Christians use that line of thought? Should Christians stick to practices when they find out they are not in harmony with Gods word? We MUST worship him with spirit and truth. There is a reward in it for us taking a stand for Biblical truth. Psalms 1:3 Everything he does will succeed
Christmas is a wonderful, and joyous period, for all young and old Christians.
We do not only celebrate the birth of Jesus, but we also acknowledge him as the man who taught us the importance of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. The bible describes this revolutionary philosophy as: "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."
When I was very little, my parents taught me not to lie; because lying is a sin.
When I turned eight, I discovered that SANTA DOES NOT EXIST! When I turned nine, I went to the city to buy presents for my siblings. I noticed the letters MERRY X-MAS on all the windows. i went inside 6 shops and asked the staff what the letters X-MAS stood for. Unfortunately, nobody knew!
ALTHOUGH IT WAS, SUPPOSEDLY, A JOYOUS DAY, I FELT MISERABLE!
Kind regards,
John Romer
prophet: If you feel adding more against the reality of it is best for you, then so be it.. for you! If you CHOOSE to believe that CHRISTMAS is a "revolutionary philosophy" taken from the Bible as being in description of "Love your neighbor as you love yourself".. then so be it.. for you! If you feel that Christmas represents the UNCONDITIONAL love Christ has for us.. then so be it.. for you! The "GOD of Love" acknowledges all these things.. but nowhere have I heard you acknowledge He is The
Dear "Okinawa 1985",
In your comment you state that: " you have never heard me acknowledge He is The GOD of Truth". I do not recall having had any conversations with you. Did you dream about it?
Kind regards,
John Romer
I think Jesus would find the idea of today's Christmas where people give lots of presents to be just fine. Since after all whole idea of Jesus is about giving and sharing and making others happy. I think. But I tell you one thing I really hate about Christmas, is the non-STOP Christmas music being played everywhere ALL the TIME. I tell you if I hear another Christmas music I think I will explode :)
I agree with this.
I think Christmas Gift giving is a great idea and symbol of Christmas and it is in true spirit of Christ. However, I totally agree with those whom say that where you buy your Christmas gifts is as important as the act of giving them. And buying them from Mega Wall Street Web sites such as Amazon, WalMart, does defeat the spirit and cheers of Christmas to a good extent, since so much of the Christmas cheers is based on getting int the Christmas markets and city streets.
Christianity was the invention of the Apostles. I believe that Jesus wanted to reform Judaism and would be very surprised that He has become the center of worship, when He was all about worshiping the Father.
He probably envisioned a Messianic Jewish type worship, where He would not be the central focus.
If anything Christmas would confuse Him, as His death and not His birth was the only important factor in His life.
Jesus was betrayed by one of his disciples Judas Iscariot, and sentenced to die by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate.
You can find many referring documents about this, although if you search via Google for this, Google as a Jewish controlled Search engine will not make it easy to find such documents. But here is one:
carney & delphrsdio - I would never dispute something I very well know to be true. I never questioned whether Jesus was betrayed by the Pharisees or died at the hands of the Roman Procurator, Pontius Pilate. I was referring only to carney's exclamation to ThomatOurOnlineRelig where he states: "What are you talking about!" as if ThomatOurOnlineRelig had stated Jesus didn't die as Scriptures teach. Peace!
Jesus, the early church and the Apostles were Jews. Christians were not only persecuted by Jews, but by Romans under Nero. Eusebius wrote about this. We have his writings to this day. Jesus promised some of his followers who took risks to follow him would gain 1000 times more than when that began. Now half the world's millionaires are Christian. There are better gains then money and Christians look for these things too.
Dave8, I'm not sure exactly where you're going with this. Are you saying that half the world's Christian millionaires are millionaires because they've been blessed, specifically by Jesus, and the millionaires who aren't Christians aren't blessed, and the other Christians (non-millionaires) of the world go through life seeking the same things yet, somehow can be considered as 'TRUE' Christians themselves? Please kindly explain your meaning.. Thanks!
delphradio, I understand where you are going.. but I feel it's important for individuals to understand that Lazarus himself was (for in his day) one of somewhat great means. When Jesus made that declaration, He wasn't saying that a "rich man couldn't or wouldn't enter into the Kingdom" but rather it would be MUCH harder for such, given the circumstances surrounding money and other material things. Holding to the understanding, of course, money could lead to a distraction of what's MORE
Cont'd>> important.. MONEY or the KINGDOM? Obviously it is the Kingdom of GOD which is MORE important. Jesus the time to emphasize that fact. Thanks for the post, and Peace!
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