I agree with Okinawa1985. He would say "Separate it from Me". Christmas is totally pagan. It has "nothing" to do with Jesus Christ. (The Bible mentions nothing about Jesus being born on December the 25th) It has everything to do with the pagan sun god and the time when pagans believe that people reap the fruits of their actions (their karma) which is why many harvest and thanksgiving ceremonies hold around this time.
All the traditions of xmas were stealthily introduced into Christianity in order to hypnotically initiate us into pagan mysteries.
1. Santa Klaus: A symbol of the red (i.e material) old father time saturn who delivers our karmic boxes (the harvest of our deeds) after every cycle (year) . Occultists believe that if our karma (the gift he delivers in our karmic box I.e our bodies) is resolved, we move from winter/death/materiality to illumination/summer/birth of their inner 'christ' child. If the karma in the box is left unresolved, we carry the unresolved karma...
You know something BERRINTON, my brother, this has much to do with why I truly believe that Constantine wasn't as much a Christian as part of history portrays him to be. Through the doors of the then 'Church of Dominance' did he allow the pagans to enter, and there upon accept many of their pagan customs. Today, very few seem to want to unscramble the name 'Santa' into its 'true' name 'Satan!' As to what Dave8 suggested that Jesus "he might like the part about families getting together,
Cont'd>> people helping the poor, parents giving good gifts to their children and remembering the Gospel witness." for the reason I have already explained, I must disagree. Because if Jesus were to accept such a thing as Christmas, whereas "families getting together, people helping the poor, parents giving good gifts to their children and remembering the Gospel witness." for sure, what the world knows as Christmas wouldn't be anything what we know it to be,
Cont'd>> because everything Dave8 described.. "families getting together, people helping the poor, parents giving good gifts to their children and remembering the Gospel witness." would be recognized DAILY, not annually. Nevertheless, Christmas, from all research, has its roots from a pagan planting. How then, Dave8, can we justify associating Christmas with Jesus.. especially when research shows His birth somewhere between late September and early October,
Cont'd>> just before the rainy and cold season which occurred, usually, around late November, lasting through January and early February the following year. Ironically, it's by understanding such, along with the fact that Scriptures clearly state "the Shepherds were out tending their flocks" gives more reason to believe Jesus wasn't born in December, nor November, since the Shepherds would have taken their flocks indoors, under shelter, during the rainy and cold season.
Of course, this is how I understand it.. my belief - one I'm happy to share with you that you may do your own research. If you do, I can all but GUARANTEE you will find it absolutely FASCINATING.. PEACE!
The sheep gave birth to lambs during the rainy season from Nov. to Apr. when there was more pasture. They were likely further from town and watering holes in the rainy season and closer to waterholes and town wells in the summer Med. dry season. Basically a shepherd was with the sheep in the fields all seasons.
That's not true, Dave8, nor will you find information to the contrary. Don't get caught up in television shows and theater movies, depicting wintry hills and sheep wandering in the snow and rain. Truth is, back then there was a common godliness with regards to protecting livestock.. more specifically, sheep, since they represented the basic 'full-measure' of livelihood for most. Not only that, bringing them in from cold-and-rain was common practice. Peace!
@Okinawa1985, you are spot on. Constantine was not a Christian. He was a sun worshiper who was used by satan to introduce pagan elements into Christianity. Even Jesus warned us that not all that call Him Lord, Lord shall enter into his kingdom but those that do the will of his Father. Just because a person claims to be a christian and adopts the sign/symbol of the cross (Bible tells us that symbols are merely shadows of reality) does not make the the person a christian
One doesn't need to investigate long to conclude that all the Holidays (Holy days) that were introduced into Christianity have pagan origins but of course, it is hard to accept that they are because the different arms of society: religion, schools, our parents, friends, government etc have programmed us to accept them as ideal by default. Like I wrote earlier, Christmas is a day set aside by pagans to adore saturn (the ancient festival of Saturnalia holds around the winter solstice)
To the occultist, Saturn represents the power of manifestation, i.e the manifestation of karma or the reaping of our deeds and that is why it is represented by a black cube (black karma) The Boxes given during xmas represent the gift of our karma/deeds that it gives us after every cycle (year). Father Santa comes from the north pole because the sun never shines from the northern angle of the heaven. The north is the symbol of the physical because of its relation to ice
(crystallized water) and to the body (crystallized spirit). The planet saturn is the furthest of the inner planets from the sun (outer planets: uranus, neptune,pluto) and it was the last planet visible to the ancients (uranus, neptune and pluto (which some no longer regard as a planet) were discovered much later and because of its distance from the sun, it was often referred to as the opposite pole of light/the sun and associated with the principle of coldness
because of its distance from the sun). Like the vegetation which dies during the winter, those physical people who have not undergone occult initiation are associated with the winter solstice of the spirit because in the belief of the occult their spirits are dead. The occult believes that through initiation, the physical man can awaken to the light of satan and thus thaw (thor, jupiter, intellectualism) the ice of ignorance and be reborn as light (the summer solstice)
so christmas, easter, halloween, lent etc (lenghtening of days or lengthening of light) are all different stages of the initiates journey towards becoming one with the false light of this world satan. And Father santa represents the manifestation of our deeds in the physical. i.e bring karma to form and that is why saturn is associated with the earth, time, restrictions and the challenges of physical existence.
I think he might like the part about families getting together, people helping the poor, parents giving good gifts to their children and remembering the Gospel witness.
As for stories of Santa, flying reindeer and elves at the North Pole; these are deceptive. I think Jesus was interested in the truth.
@Dave8 We don't need special days to do good. We are to do good everyday by the power of the Holy spirit Whether it be easter, xmas or just a normal day. Some told Jesus have we not cast out devils, prophesied and done many mighty works in your name but He told them: I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity (Matt 7:23) It is not enough that we do good works on Xmas day. We must obey Christ and do His will at all times,
This has been one of those subjects widely addressed, with varying opinions. My opinion, which hasn't changed even though I no longer studying with Jehovah's Witnesses, tends to separate itself from the MORE liberal way of thinking.. which is to attach a spark of 'truth' to a very-long established (pagan) ritual. Though now disguised and dressed in 'red-suit' and white beard.. the full scope of Christmas is realized by only a relative few (in comparison to those who accept) as an attachment of falsehood and lie.
Of course, I have but one of many opinions of "What Jesus would think about Christmas" and does think about Christmas. From where I sit, Jesus would think and say, "Separate it from Me".. thus proclaiming to the world "He wants no falsehood or lie attached to His glorious Name!" Of course, that's just my opinion.. yet, nevertheless, there is still so much more I can say. PEACE!
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