Pope Francis in his Christmas homily denounces materialism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35178228
Pope Francis has warned the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics not to be "intoxicated" by possessions in his annual Christmas homily.
So I think if Jesus could see how his name, how his Birth Day, has been morphed into a most intoxicating orgy of commercialism, he would be disgusted to his stomach. If he could see how Big Wall Street firms which are the POSTER Child for extreme and sodom of materialism, such as something like Amazon.com that does NOT even have a Store on the Main Street is selling 10s of Billions of Dollars, in his name, he would Damn US to Hell.
Yes, I think People completely destroy the Spirit of XMAS when they Shop online at Big Wall Street e-Store. Whether they are Damned to Hell for doing this, is debatable. But No question about it that a key part of the Spirit of XMAS is getting out into your City and Neighborhoods and seeing and supporting your small businesses, rather than shopping online mind fumblingly from Big Wall Street stores such as Amazon, etc.
zoobar: People celebrate Christmas not because GOD commands them to, nor from anything they've read from scripture that points them to doing so, but, rather, people celebrate Christmas for the joy it helps to bring to the heart. I don't celebrate Christmas because the Bible doesn't instruct me to, but also, from what it teaches me of GOD and of Jesus Christ. Those of you who truly know me through my long-time posting here, also know that I am not among those who believe in the Deity of Christ.
Of course, I believe in GOD, the Father.. and the "Logos" his spokesperson, which became His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.. and in the Holy Spirit (Of GOD), as in belonging to GOD, not as a separate entity!
But even if I did believe that Christ is GOD, literally, would not Christ still be "the GOD of truth?" If so, how much truth surrounds Christmas? Even the 'so-called' wise men (whom were in effect the Magi), were never numbered in the Bible, yet how many presume because of the category and number of gifts brought, there were but three (3). And who were the Magi? The Bible indicates that they were practicers of sorceries, star gazers, and dealt with magic and other things GOD warns
Cont'd>> us not to engage in. Tell me, if such is true, would GOD enlists such men, just to then warn them not to return to king Herod with the news of Jesus' whereabouts? Christmas is surrounded with many falsehoods that Jesus would not approve of it one bit, regardless of how it may bring joy to humans. Surrounded by so much falsehood is Christmas, that even the Magi (the so-called wise men) first came upon Jesus in a house, as a toddler at the very least, yet in another one
Cont'd>> of the falsehoods of Christmas, they find him (Jesus) living in the same barn Mary gave birth to Him in, while lying in the same manger. If Jesus is GOD, literally, or as MOST professed Christians believe He is, then He would still be "the GOD OF TRUTH," wouldn't He? Where is the truth of Christ in Christmas? Is it enough that we believe Jesus would love that we love one another.. help one another.. while forsaking the very Deity MOST are willing to believe of Him?
I will not judge someone because he/she chooses to celebrate Christmas. For it becomes as I see it, a matter of conscience belonging to them and GOD. As for me, my conscience tells me not to celebrate it because our GOD is "the GOD of Truth".. not some of the time but all of the time. Should any celebration of Him be clouded with so much falsehood,.. regardless of whatever the human reasoning
Okinawaa:
Pope Francis has warned the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics not to be "intoxicated" by possessions in his annual Christmas homily.
So I think if Jesus could see how Big Wall Street firms which are the POSTER Child for extreme and sodom of materialism, such as something like Amazon.com that does NOT even have a Store on the Main Street is selling 10s of Billions of Dollars, in his name, he would Damn US to Hell.
Well - World_Traveler: I believe You're right and your wrong! For sure, it seems as if the Christmas celebration has gotten far out of hand. The reality is, from it very beginning, it has always been a celebration based on the heels of 'pagan-delight!' If there be even one shred of falsehood associated to it, then it clearly stains the entirety of it. Where the GOD of Truth is concern, He knows that even Satan will incorporate the lie with truth. Still, GOD see Satan for what he is..
Cont'd>> Therefore, should we not see Christmas for what it is, where so much of it is surrounded with falsehood? There's GOOD reason why scriptures makes the point of those things worshiped and glorified. The points made separates them from things made of mankind.. and they matter not to GOD because HE is the GOD of Truth. So, then, let us not associate even the SMALLEST of lies to Him, nor His Son, for GOD Himself is the MOST largest of example.. that some things aren't meant to
Cont'd>> to be known! GOD is GOD, and unlike His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, there can be found not even an approximation of GOD'S beginning. Still, the approximation of Jesus' birth is, nevertheless, just that.. an approximation.. for it wasn't meant to be positively know because beyond the BASIC relevance of it, it wasn't important enough to become a part of scripture as a command observance. And, as far as Jesus Damning the followers of Christmas to HELL.. no, I don't believe
Cont'd>> He would.. He'd merely chalk it up to one of the many man-made, worldly celebrations of today. Seeing it for what it is to Him.. another lie amongst MOST of the world.. without any true intention of blaspheming His name!
Really! Nothing in the Bible says that we should celebrate Christ's birth!!!
Are you sure about this? So then XMAS celebration is a Catholic church creation?
delphtadio, not only are you correct to say there is nothing in the Bible directing mankind to celebrate Christ's birth, but even if there was, can one be so bold as to believe that it would be as it is today? For sure, as meaningful as Christ's birth was to mankind (which no doubt is why humans are so bent on celebrating it), it was the shedding of His blood and ultimate resurrection we are to celebrate of Him.. because it was from such, that we may have eternal life! Peace.
Since the Apostles started the worship of Jesus as the Christian Church, dogma became as great a driver as scripture. Just because scripture doesn't command something, it also may not command against it.The celebration of Christmas is a way to plant Christ's humanity in the minds of the people, so that the commemoration of His death (also not commanded) has more meaning and it that of a real person.
The Eucharist is the only celebration that Christ ever asked to be repeated.
@ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore We don't need a pagan day to remind us of Jesus. Besides, the celebration of xmas is "totally" pagan. What does the scarlet father i.e santa claus (saturn), elves, the north pole, gift boxes, xmas tree etc have to do with Jesus? Did Jesus command us to choose special days to plant him in the minds of humanity or did he promise to plant himself in the heart of believers eternally so that they would remember him everyday of their lives?
We all have a tendency to use excuses to justify our errors instead of taking the honorable path and willingly admitting them. Xmas is pagan. Plain and simple and no amount of arguing or arm twisting is gonna change it. Just because someone claims that Grass is blue does not make grass blue. In the same way, just because people associate the birth of Jesus with December 25th and do good works on the day is not gonna change God's verdict: We are not to observe days and seasons rather than..
..celebrate on the 25th, God wants us to celebrate the birth of his Son in our hearts everyday of our lives (Gal 4:19) No matter how hard we try to Christianize paganism, or Christianize the devil, it will not work because they are both under the eternal curse of God.
ThomatOurOnlineTeligiousStore: Greetings! Your post bears some truth, but as to your statement: "Just because scripture doesn't command something, it also may not command against it".. this is one of those arguments I have heard multiple times, and will go on hearing it from those who believe that where there is a lacking of "EXPRESSED or SPECIFIC" command by GOD to do or not do something, somehow through such "LACKING" there leaves in front of us an OPEN DOOR!
Of course, it's easy to find reasons to exercise something one wholly desires and/or chooses to participate in. That STRONGLY appears to be a part of the human nature, that part of us who chooses to avoid what may be the (somewhat) hidden part against it. Let me ask you this, ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore: "If GOD is the absolute BEST representation of truth, can you honestly believe that he would want HIS being to be shrouded with such lies and deceptions the celebration of Christmas
Cont'd>> brings about?" If you can, then such speaks fully to your own wants and desires, as apposed to if you can't.. then this must surely speak volumes the HEART of the question originally posed to us: "What would Jesus would think about Christmas being so commercial?" But we can go even farther from the posed question itself. For examples, how the Translated Bible we read today (as well as the Original Scrolls/Texts) fail to clearly and precisely indicates when Christ was born.
Now, add to that the fact, that as important as Jesus' birth is to so many, Jesus found his birth SO IMPORTANT, that he failed to command all to commemorate it. Of course, there is much MORE to consider than these two points, namely, GOD (the true GOD) must also be a lover of EXACTNESS, meaning HE is, therefore, filled with ONLY accurate knowledge leaving no room for error, being precise in every move and MUST be Glorified in light of absolute TRUTH! I feel we must take all of this into account
Cont'd>> when we attempt to attach any celebration to HIS or HIS Son's name. "What would Jesus would think about Christmas being so commercial?" The question goes far beyond that. PEACE!
@Okinawa1985 Excellent. The Bible doesn't explicitly tell us not to view porn so how do we know that viewing porn is sin? Because it agrees with do not look at a woman lustfully of course. The Bible doesn't explicitly tell us: Do not shoot your neighbor to death so how do we know that shooting our neighbor to death is sin? Because the Bible enjoins us to love our neighbor and not to commit murder of course. The Bible clearly forbids observing days and seasons & judging people based on them.
Never look to society to be your moral compass. Christmas is a time where we need to examine our own heart. I have some Christian friends who have done very well this year. And in return it seems like they have only cared about themselves, their ego and their pride!
Regardless of what people say, nothing about Christmas makes it a pagan day. I view it similar to Halloween. There are those who will turn off their light, "separate it from me". And there are those who will pass out Christian tracts with candy and view it as an opportune time to witness to other people.
I do know that Christ was not born on December 25th, but, I think it's okay to celebrate that day or any other day as the day in remembrance to when Christ was actually born.
Stop focusing on what's right and what's wrong. And start focusing on what brings life and what brings death.
Jesus talked about prosperity and preached the Gospel to the poor so they wouldn't be poor. Christmas is the most prosperous time of the year the most giving time and the most family time & even people who don't go to church regularly go Christmas. Christmas isn't even His Birthday, just the day we celebrate His birthday. Today it even brings up controversy from the pagan believers who want to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Christmas was made a national Holiday to honor Jesus who honored the Father. Commercially Jesus would be fine with it. It is when they dishonor His/our Father House that is when He would disapprove. Christmas is a celebration not a ritual. Remember buying gifts is optional not required as when the money changers jacked up the price of animals to be sacrificed for sins, that price has already been paid.
...into the next life/cycle meaning all our unresolved karma must be dealt with in another life/cycle of time which is why xmas falls few days before a new year. i.e after our karma is resolved, we move into a new cycle.
The birth of the son (sun) symbolizes the birth of the light (or the inner christ nature sought by occultists) which occurs when all of their karma is balanced and the attaining of a new consciousness after the winter of ignorance of their soul. The journey culminates at the summer solstice.
Xmas is occult bull promoted by those who want to enslave Christians to the pagan sun god agenda and the amazing part is how easy professing Christians have been hypnotized into accepting Jesus birth as Dec 25th despite the fact that it has no basis in scripture and despite the fact that the Bible clearly tells us not to observe days and seasons or to judge people that do not . In order to avoid delusion, we must always search to see if things are scriptural or not.
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