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Posted On: 2017-07-10 00:48:10
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What do you think of Agile/Scrum software development?

Now a days many companies are touting that they are developing their software based on Agile methods, Scrum, Kanban. etc.
What do you think of Agile? Is it a panacea for all software development or just lots of marketing buzz? I mean one can become a Professional Scrum Product Owner after taking a 2 Days class that costs about $1200. How can then this be a really valuable skill if it takes 2 Days and $1200 to learn it! Sound more like a new age cult to me. What do you think?

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1 year 3 months ago

From my years of real software development, I am not a big fan of Agile/scrum, though it does work for some people. I think most organizations give lip service to adopting it and then you wind up with some sort of mish-mash of Agile and Waterfall that is truly a disaster. So overall just a Big waste of time :(
Much better is to let People who have years of REAL software development to select an agile team, and get the Job done fast and good free of Agile/Scrum Bull Shit.
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1 year 3 months ago
Agree: Management consultants have a whole new system of bullshit now, called Agile/Scrum.
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1 year 3 months ago
Scrum/Agile does work for us. Well for sure compared to the nightmare & disaster that was waterfall before it. I honestly was very skeptical before the switch, but I have come around.
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Legare & LR, I think you guys make great points. So yes, from what I see, if you want slow and stupid development, then you go Agile/scrum. But if you really want real Agile development, then you surround yourself by people who have done lots of eCommerce development and get it done really fast and safe.
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1 year 3 months ago
Zog, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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1 year 4 months ago

Well according to agilealliance.org, Agile development method is based on these 12 Principles:
https://www.agilealliance.org/agile101/12-principles-behind-the-agile-manifesto/

Such as:

1- Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer through early and continuous delivery of valuable software.
2- Welcome changing requirements, even late in development.
3- Deliver working software frequently, from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a preference to the shorter timescale.
etc.

1st, which Software developer in their right mind would be not for these Principles to start with!!!!!
2nd, some times "early and continuous delivery of valuable software" is not a good idea at all and can even lead to disasters. Imagine if a Site was launched "early", such as a Bank Site, without multi layers of Security in place, which multi layers of Security "customer" would not even know about unless they were Linux/Php experts.
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1 year 4 months ago
Great analytical answer. Thanks you.
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1 year 4 months ago
Well said. Agile and Scrum etc. are bunch of fancy buzz words to give People in HR or Marketing who do not know much about high level Advanced coding to feel like they have a real say in the game. I select to be Agile++ on my own :)
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1 year 3 months ago
Really such a Bull Shit. I mean who would be against any of those so called Agile 12 Principles. It is called good common sense software development. You just need to have a software development manager who has managed many real world software development projects, which means they were actually deployed publicly and many People use it, and then let this manager assemble a crack team of developers to get the Job done 10 times faster than the Management consultants Bull Shit of Agile/Scrum.
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1 year 4 months ago

It is really a buzz word. Since any good Software development team has already been following the common sense principles in so called Agile development which are:

Individuals and Interactions over processes and tools.
Working software over comprehensive documentation.
Customer Collaboration over contract negotiation.
Responding to change over following a plan.

I mean Doh! Which good software development team was not already doing this!
For more on what I mean check out:
10 Key Principles of Agile Software Development
http://www.360logica.com/blog/10-key-principles-of-agile-software-development/
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1 year 4 months ago
Yes, I agree.
After all who but a TOTAL Moron or even a Psycho would be for:
processes and tools over Individuals and Interactions

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1 year 4 months ago
Hardy Har Har. That is really funny and true Dave.
So I am glad that it was not just me who fund these Agile development manifestos to be more a buzz word rather than real actionable skills or knowledge.
Still I do not think that Agile development groups mean any harm.
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1 year 4 months ago

All that has happened is someone has added a name (Agile) to what professional programmers have been doing for decades, delivering a WORKING program tailored to the CUSTOMER'S needs in a timely manner, then using customer feedback to incrementally update the same program without all of the bullshit that the customer does not need or want.

That is a far cry from what so-called 'web designers' do as evidenced by the massive numbers of bloated half-assed working websites on the internet. There is no reason to constantly re-invent the wheel like is constantly happening on the web.

$1200 to waste 2 days in class is ridiculous. One can spend half that much time at no cost by using Google and have a better handle on what is learned. Of course, doing that will not get a piece of paper showing that you spent time in a class. If a programmer is so bad that he needs that paper, he should take up some other skill that he is capable of doing, like maybe knitting.
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1 year 4 months ago
Yes, really the best proof that this Agile/Srcum/Kanba is just bunch of Buzz Words is to look at the fact that you can become a Professional Scrum Product Owner by taking a 2 Days class that costs about $1200, when it takes at least 10 Years of software development to become really Professional in software development, specially the Web development which has many many layers of technologies, aka the Stack.
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1 year 4 months ago
AH I like the bit:
"If a programmer is so bad that he needs that paper, he should take up some other skill that he is capable of doing, like maybe knitting"
Problem is that lots of VC Wall Street funded companies are asking the developers they are going to hire to have this piece of paper as if a 2 Day course really has any value.
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1 year 4 months ago
dave_silva, that is very True. That is from all I See too, this Agile this and Agile that, is more driven by people who really do not have advance software development skills. More by People in the C-Suite rather than people who actually develop software FAST.
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