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Posted On: 2018-05-14 20:06:54
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Who Are The Rightful Owners of Jerusalem?

If the reality of Christianity can be seen with the introduction of Christ to the World, then for sure, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD marked the ending of the Jews 'sole ownership' of it thereafter. It's true, the Bible does make reference to GOD'S chosen people (the Hebrew Jews) as being the rightful owners of Jerusalem. But with the destruction of the Temple, and the ultimate scattering of the Jews to the four-corners of the globe, possession of Jerusalem changed hands.

I have studied this long and hard. 1948 merely marked the United States' recognition of the State of Israel, and many nations followed suite. With America's backing, first with mercenaries and, then, with full backing. Those who possessed the great city under the New Covenant, were driven out by the Jews upon their return from Europe and other parts of the World.

I anxiously await your “well researched” replies.

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1 month 4 weeks ago

Ancient Biblical history states it belongs to Israel
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it has always been my belief that Jerusalem rightfully belongs to the people who lived there before the Balfour declaration, which I considered not to be valid or binding, the Palestinians. The state of Israel has absolutely no right to declare ownership over this land, especially based on 1/3 party agreement passed through the British Parliament. Just because the British controlled Palestine, doesn't mean that they owned it.
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Wheeler61, I agree.. not simply because of the lack of validity in the Balfour declaration, but because of ancient Biblical history. What many fail to understand is that the first Covenant given to Abraham and his seed is no longer binding under the New Covenant, which took away the Hebrews' rightful ownership to it, which was brought about by the Jews constant disobedience against GOD, and culminating up to the murder of Christ and the final destruction of the (earthly) Temple in Jerusalem.
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After it, the Jews were conquered by the Muslims and forced out of Jerusalem, scattered throughout the world. When (spiritual) Jerusalem is fulfilled, as explained at Revelation, it will be for those who are in Christ and Christ be in them.
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After it, the Jews were conquered by the Muslims and forced out of Jerusalem, scattered throughout the world. When (spiritual) Jerusalem is fulfilled, as explained at Revelation, it will be for those who are in Christ and Christ be in them.
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1 month 3 weeks ago
The Jews are the owners but I also have to say that all of us believers will be owners of Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem!
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1 month 4 weeks ago

Moving US embassy by Trump to Jerusalem is just another act of Hate and War by Trump NutyYahoo Axis of Evil. This video does a great job of describing how wrong all this hate coming out of USA by Repugs or Democrats and Wall Street Media are. It made me Cry!





Note those others are: Putin, Merkel, etc World leaders who are silent in face of all this wrong 😭
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1 month 4 weeks ago
You seem to forget that CLINTON passed a law to move the embassy and all that Trump did was OBEY that law, which Clinton, Bush, & Obama did not do, even though they all promised to do it.

So Trump did nothing wrong regardless of what the nutjobs of the world say.

You should be questioning whether the law that Clinton passed was good or bad, because without that law it is doubtful that the embassy would have ever been moved.
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1 month 4 weeks ago
Every president before Trump may have authorized movement, but they all sought for a more diplomatic solution, like a bilateral agreement for peace between Israel and Palestine. Trump is the only president to "shoot first" ask questions later, so to speak. Besides, he and his son-in-law have a vested interest in Israel. This move was precipitated more financial than even political. The other presidents weren't wrong, Trump is!
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It does not matter why Trump did what he did. What matters is that he obeyed the law Clinton signed, while the other Presidents BROKE THE LAW and should be incarcerated for doing so. When you or I break the law, we go to jail or worse. So should they.

Clinton did not need to sign that law. He could have used diplomacy as you suggest instead. But once he signed the law, diplomacy was OFF THE TABLE AS A SOLUTION for him and the others.
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1 month 4 weeks ago
in 1948, before the zionists stole it, it was owned by the palestinians.
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1 month 4 weeks ago
https://myfreedomflame.com/2018/05/14/truth-behind-jerusalem/



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mmerlinn is further proof od what lunatics Trump Republicans are for 1st stateing that: "all Trump did was OBEY .. Clinton & Obama..."
and this is same Trump that has trashed Obama laws such as Paris Climate Accord, Iran deal, etc.

2nd in ultimate proof of what lunatics Trump Republicans are he calls the entire World to be "nutjobs" for having condemned this action of Trump. So in proving what psycho Trump Republicans are, he is calling:
UK a "nutjob"
France a "nutjob"
Germany a "nutjob"
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Canada a "nutjob"
Italy a "nutjob"
Spain a "nutjob"
Australia a "nutjob"
etc. etc.

for beside Israel NO other Nations has approved this action.

So the question we need to ask ourselves, is how is it possible that so many Americans have become such lunatics to call the entire World "nutjob" while praising Trump? Answer is US Media is Israeli controlled, this ranges from CNN MSNBC etc. that does not tell American people the facts to Fox etc. that tells psychotic Hate filled lies on 24/7 basis.
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It is ashemed that "Christians" in this forum only talk hate politics and not Bible Truth. We do not care who is the rightful owner of the land, we know is God, and He did not gave it to the Palestinians. President Trump just did what the Creator of the World told him to do. Next according to Bible Prophecy is the construction of the Third Temple and later the return of the Messiah of Israel. Israel is the centerstage of the world. Who cares about the other players. Blessings
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DumbTime is proof that nutjobs exist. He voted for Trump - I DID NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP AS DumbTime asserts.

DumbTime since I did not approve of your actions, you can go to the back of the class.

The nutjobs can cry and moan all they want, but the U.S. does NOT have to what the nutjobs want. Does that mean the U,S, is right? No, just that the U.S. has the right to do whatever it wants without listening to the peanut gallery.
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And the Paris accord and Iran deal were not laws. Only Congress can pass laws that the President may or may not sign. They were treaties that Congress did not vote on and therefore were invalid. Congress must approve all treaties.
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Isaiah 53:4­6! Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
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This is a prophesy given by Isiah the son of Amos... during the reign of King Hezekiah.. About 700 odd years before the birth of the Messiah. This is prophesy... “See, I have set thee in the midst of the nations (Ezekiel 5:5). Israel, called “the navel of the earth,” is strategically located at the hub of three continents. Zechariah 14:4
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4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. This is about the Messiah's second coming
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and (Psalm 122:6) says “pray for the peace of Jerusalem” for there will never be peace on earth until there's peace in Jerusalem, until Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, rules and reigns from Jerusalem
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Inconclusion, When our Lord returns, all nations of the world will come to Jerusalem to worship (Micah 2:3). Jerusalem will be the capital city not only of Israel but of the entire world, and the Word of the Lord shall go forth from Zion (Isaiah 2:3). Jesus will reign from Jerusalem (Luke 1:32). Israel is at the center of God’s plan.
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The land of Israel was promised to Israelite in perpetuity. So there is a "Promised Land" given to the Jewish Seed by The Creator of the Universe.

Gen 15:18 "In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates"

Gen 26:3-4 "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed"

It also says that Israel is responsable to take people from this sacred land out or the Jewsih people shall be punished:
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Num 33:53-56 "And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit. 55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the l
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55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. 56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them".

At the end according to Yeshua (Jesus) God will bring back the Jewish People to their land and will stop other people (gentiles) from occupying the land, t
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Luk 21:24 “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Yerushalayim shall be trampled underfoot by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are filled".

So even Yeshua, the Messiahs of israel, the Son of God, The King of Kings, affirmed His Fathers promise of Jerusalem being the eternal capital of Israel.
Blessings to all
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2 months 20 hours ago

Jerusalém, antiga Salém, conquistada por Davi, pertence ao povo judeu.
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2 months 16 hours ago
And what does all of that gibberish mean?
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Significa que Damasco será riscada do mapa em breve.
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I am totally confused. Could you clarify?
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