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Posted On: 2018-05-14 20:06:54
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Who Are The Rightful Owners of Jerusalem?

If the reality of Christianity can be seen with the introduction of Christ to the World, then for sure, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD marked the ending of the Jews 'sole ownership' of it thereafter. It's true, the Bible does make reference to GOD'S chosen people (the Hebrew Jews) as being the rightful owners of Jerusalem. But with the destruction of the Temple, and the ultimate scattering of the Jews to the four-corners of the globe, possession of Jerusalem changed hands.

I have studied this long and hard. 1948 merely marked the United States' recognition of the State of Israel, and many nations followed suite. With America's backing, first with mercenaries and, then, with full backing. Those who possessed the great city under the New Covenant, were driven out by the Jews upon their return from Europe and other parts of the World.

I anxiously await your “well researched” replies.

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5 hours 34 minutes ago

Jerusalém, antiga Salém, conquistada por Davi, pertence ao povo judeu.
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And what does all of that gibberish mean?
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Well, well, well. We all are obviously stating what we believe is the fact. But since we are dealing with things of Biblical history, here is why the land of Israel is promised to Israelite in perpetuity; The promise was first made to Abraham (Genesis 15:18-21), ditto Genesis 17:8 states: The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.[1] then confirmed to his son Isaac (Genesis 26:3), and then to Isaac's son Jacob (Genesis 28:13), Abraham's grandson. The promised land was described in terms of the territory from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates river (Exodus 23:31).

So, however we rant at America, it is God's will.
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"however we rant at America" Really are you brain dead!
After all the only and only Country that has indicated they will move their embassy to Jerusalem is Trump, aka America.
OTOH, all Major Nations on Earth, including your UK, assuming you are from UK, have Voted against such move and condemned it.

Since 1st, No one gets right to a land based on a writing in "Biblical history" and there is much debate as to what Biblical history says in this matter.
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Lebon, you provide a good narrative regarding the Old Testament, prior to Israel's unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit, finalized by the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. You're right, from Abraham (GOD'S first official prophet) to the very last king of Israel, GOD'S promise to Abraham and his seed was under the old Covenant, and ended with the unforgivable sin, upon which the destruction of the Temple - and enters the New Covenant under Jesus Christ!
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Hmm, 'everlasting possession.' Does that mean the same thing as 'forever?' If so, how long is 'forever?'

And 'promised' by God? Does God lie? If 'forever' is not over and God does not lie, then obviously this promise by God still exists today.
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To Okinawa, please look at this this way. Our Lord and Saviour said in Matthew 5:17; 17. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…

Obviously, Our Lord Jesus Christ is telling us here that all God's words are effective, even until the end of TIME.
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To mmerlin... Gods time and thought is different from ours. See Isaiah 55:7 to 9 which says; 7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. 8"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. 9"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.…
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Lebon, I don't see how your post makes any sense vis a vis what I wrote.
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Good morning mmelinn... Let me explain the relevance for you. You said ''And 'promised' by God? Does God lie? If 'forever' is not over and God does not lie, then obviously this promise by God still exists today.'' Israel sinned. Yes. They rejected God. He sent his Only Son, Jesus Christ, they also rejected him and killed him! There is a reward for their sin. 1878 years of punishment. 47 generations. But God anger will no last forever. www.bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God-Will-No-More-Be-Angry
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Jerusalem is occupied Territory, and hence a criminal act to move an Embassy there.
A fact that entire World major Nations recognize, but only Trump Republicans Israel. Here:
"U.N. Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn U.S. Decision On Jerusalem"
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/21/572565091/u-n-votes-overwhelmingly-to-condemn-trumps-jerusalem-decision

Put simply Trump was Elected by collusion of NYC Wall Street Zionist Billionaire and hence he has been doing all they want, and they been rewarding him with record high after another on Wall Street. And to mind F***K American people, this Wall Street Billionaire that controls entire Big Media in US from CNN to Fox to Google to Facebook, etc. been running this Super BS of "Muller Russia" crap to deflect attention from who really Trump colluded with.

So Trump Republicans and his Wall Street Billionaire Cabal bosses are the SWAMP 😡
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Not all Jews are with NutyYahoo and his Republican lap dog Trump.
Many Jews reject the policies of Hate and War which are spread by Trump Republicans and his Wall Street Billionaire Cabal bosses.

For example check out:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hundreds-israel-beyond-protest-killings_us_5afb6d48e4b0a59b4dfe7ff8

"We are marching from the Prime Minister's residence to the US Consulate. We will defy @netanyahu and @realDonaldTrump as they try to deepen the Occupation..."
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WT, that is good sign man. That is Jews in Israel standing up against the War Monger Hate Monger NutyYahoo and his Republican lap dog Trump.
In fact most Jews are very good People and not War Monger Hate Monger like NutyYahoo and the Neo-Cons in Israel and the Ultra right-wing Media in USA which leads to the War after War of USA either under Obama Democrats or Bush_Trump Republicans.
And to them praising Trump illegally moving US embassy to Jerusalem and all resulting hate and blood shed.
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I do not see how any of the above answers the OP's question. In other words, it is spam and off topic.
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The above answers are 100% related to this question.
So they are 100% on topic. And SPAM is when you are trying to promote your Site, which of course the above answers are not.
So the fact is that you do not like the Truth that the above answers expose.
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RT, True what you have written. But lets keep in mind that many Democrats if not all, are controlled by same Wall Street Billionaire Cabal as Trump is, best example of which is this Joe Liberman who was a Dem VP at one time, here:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/17/joe-lieberman-supports-trump-on-embassy-move-to-jerusalem-and-iran-nuclear-deal-exit.html

And or keep in mind that not ONE Democrat has filed a motion in the congress to oppose Trump moving US embassy to Jerusalem.
WOW :(
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It belongs only to God as does the whole world. So in the end land rights and ownership rights in the present system only exist as long as God allows them. Man may seem to have tied it up, but nothing is safe under mans rule. So the study shown is quite irrelevant for God will do what God has said and in the end Jesus Christ will reign on this earth and none will be able to stop Him. It is God not man that has and is bringing back the Jews to the land He gave to them. Yes and all the nations of the world will rise up against the Jews and they will seem to completely win against the Jews, but then Jesus Christ will come and all the pretenders will cease to be.
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The whole area was given to Abraham by God and reclaimed by Joshua and Caleb. That said who is in control has the rights. Russia took over Ukraine because Obama didn't protect them like the treaty that was signed. The USA defeated many Indian tribes to rule the USA. The rightful owners? I will side with God of the Bible, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the fact Israel controls the country. Palestine has never really controlled Israel as a country
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Golfer, I put a question to you! Under the New Covenant, not the Old from which you speak, from 70 AD onward to 1948, before the Jews returned to Israel from Europe and other parts, did not the Palestinians occupy Israel, and claim Jerusalem as their Holy City?
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Under the New Covenant When Jesus died and in the new world to come Jerusalem is/will be the capital. That Covenant?
Have the Jews of Israel been defeated and thrown out of there home land--yes but it is still Israel.
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Yes, Golfer, I agree in part. The Israel spoken of in the New Testament Bible is a "Spiritual Israel" not a physical Israel. If it wasn't so, then the Bible would be in error since it specifically refers to all living "in Christ and Christ in them." This means non sole possession by any race, creed and/or ethnicity. Today's Israeli Jews, that is to say, those who accept only the Torah and other Hebrew Religious Books, don't believe in the New Testament Bible. They believe that the Messiah
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4 days 16 hours ago
Cont'd>> has yet to come, and that under its Jewish history, Israel (including Jerusalem) belongs solely to them, not to non Jews. That is why Palestinians has just as much right to the "physical Israel" of today as any other.
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