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Okinawa1985
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Posted On: 2018-04-21 15:19:47
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Did GOD Have a Beginning?

To the question โ€œDid GOD have a beginning?โ€ the scientist, if so incline, will more than likely say yes, absolutely, because all things present has a start from some place in time. But the more spiritual, Bible driven, will quote scriptures that point to Him having no beginning, thus causing many whose worship is in science to consider we who believe in GOD and scriptures, are among the more ignorant. Even knowing there are multiple scriptures to indicate GOD has no beginning we can definitively point to, I believe GOD did have a beginning, and it's the Bible that proves it. You see, it is my belief that all scriptures that points to GOD not having a beginning, are scripture that serve one primary purpose โ€“ to make us aware that there is no reason for us to concern ourselves for there is no definitive answer to be found. It's just not important for us to know! So many scriptures. Form Genesis to Exodus, Psalms to Proverbs, 1 Timothy backwards to Deuteronomy - so many scriptures to consider, yet, all indicating to me one primary thing, it's not important for me to know!

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Hello Everyone, and Peace to you and Yours! Sometimes we tend to take for granted of what โ€œwith GOD all things are possibleโ€ truly means. From time to time, we allow ourselves to accept only those scriptures that appear obvious and definitive. Like John 1, Hebrews 7:3, and/or other scriptures like Revelation 21:6. We tend not to accept the reality that GOD'S beginning was unlike any other beginning, for in the original inception there was no mother or father.

There was no definitive time nor any beginning which required creation. Yet, despite the common sense GOD has privileged us with exercising, we slip away from the reasoning that is not of GOD. We fail to understand that GOD did have a beginning.. and that beginning is GOD! In science, nothing can exist without a beginning. Part of the reasoning ability GOD has afforded mankind. But, to most believers, the scriptural obvious, remains the only absolute. GOD is the Alpha and Omega.
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And as the Alpha and Omega, He reserves the right to have a beginning unlike referred to in science and joining with time. Therefore to me, GOD becomes that inexplicable beginning, requiring only our understanding that He exists by means of an un-created beginning!
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@Okinawa1985, I admire your unconventional approach but you should try to understand that the word beginning is a word that denotes time and motion. God cannot have a beginning because having one means that God started at a certain point, that God was previously somewhere that he isn't right now or that God was previously something that He isn't right now (e.g you were once a baby but you are not one now). Note that God is omnipresent i.e everywhere right now and forever more.
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When athletes race, they begin the race at a certain point and in order to complete (end) it, they have to move from that point to a different point in space time. But unlike the competing athletes, God is at both the beginning and the end right now (He is also at all points in the race). He doesn't need to move in space to complete the race because He not only fills but also transcends the inter-spaces of the race. In order to study new material,students have to begin studying at a certain..
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time and end at a different time. But unlike students, It doesn't take time for God to know new things because God knows everything that there is to know already. In God, there is nothing old or new. Everything is always the same. God is the fullness in which we live, move and have our beings (Acts 17:28) Notice the word move. We are the ones moving, moving in God. Movement denotes space (we move in space) and space denotes time because it takes time to cover space.
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...i.e it takes time to move from one place to another place. But God is forever still (i.e eternal and unchanging) and that is why He can access all points in and beyond space-time right now. So God "doesn't" have a beginning (created or uncreated). God is and will forever be, unchanging and eternal. But we have a beginning because we are the ones who moving i.e evolving, learning, experiencing.
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In simple terms, take God as the space in the race in my example and we as the athletes that move in that space. We experience the race as time but to God, there is no time because He is the whole race course right now. The whole universe is contained in God (Acts 17:28) and because it is contained in God, all points in it are not only accessible to God but He also transcends them. The same way the can of coke transcends the liquid coke that is contained within it
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BERRINTON, absolutely clear and defined by your understanding. And it is with that clarity that I believe that when GOD came to exist HE began to exist as part of the unknown time frame.. that part of time un controlling of GOD and void to our understanding. You see, in my mind, GOD exists when HE began to exist, and because HE is GOD, such time becomes irrelevant to our finite minds. BERRINTON, my brother, I believe there are three dimensions of time.. GOD'S which is the inexplicable..
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Cont'd>> The Angels and Adam and Eve which is Direct Creation in time.. and Indirect Creation which represents us. I can't fully explain why I believe such, but I do.
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Okinawa1985, Your claim "I believe that when GOD came to exist HE began to exist as part of the unknown time frame.. that part of time un controlling of GOD and void to our understanding. " denotes that God has a beginning (even though we don't understand it) and therefore denotes that God is not eternal and uncreated. It also implies that God existed at a time that is not our time and therefore means that God is Himself subject to change and is therefore not eternal/still i.e He moves.
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So how do you reconcile the fact that GOD (in our time) is eternal all knowing and unchanging with your claim that He began to exist (according to you in His time which is part of an unknown/inaccessible time frame) God cannot experience time and be timeless at the same time because both concepts are contradictory. Besides, if God came into existence, it means that God is contained within another concept. So is that concept that God is contained within God's God?
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You and everyone else experiences time because you are contained within God. God fills and transcends the interspaces of time and space and as you move in him, you experience time which is the space (void) that keeps being filled (new experiences, places ideas etc) In the same vein, In order for God to have experienced time or have a beginning, He would have to be contained and move (i.e experience) within another being which would mean God has a god and in order for God to have a god, ..
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God would have to be inferior to that god which would call into question His sovereignty and delegate His status to a lesser god or the creation. It is a law of nature that when people come into existence, they are contained within another i.e a mother who is always older and more experienced. So if God came into existence, it means he was contained within someone with more experience and wisdom which means He was inferior in wisdom to that person and therefore is a lesser god.
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God cannot be contained in any space because God transcends all space. In the beginning there was "only" God. There was no land, no sea, no sun, no moon, no man, no space, no time,no universe, no stars, no angels and no other god. There was just the eternal God and "nothing else". And because there was nothing apart from the infinite and only God, Everything that was created had to be created inside the all that is, The, eternal, uncreated, self existent creator God!!!
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Finally, there is only one dimension of time and that time is contained within eternity or in simpler terms, everything you experience as time is in a real sense or from a God perspective happening right now in eternity. The time That Adam and Eve experienced and the one we experience is the same because we ARE THEIR OFFSPRING. I.e If we are not reborn of Christ. We are inseparable from them which is why we all partake of their sin. We are all mini expressions (microcosms) of the greater..
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..Adam and Eve (the macrocosm)
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"Come" into existence= Enter into existence, Be contained within existence which implies to enter something that you were previously not inside. e.g the fertilized eggs come into existence (gain selfhood) in the womb i.e the womb preexists the fertilized egg.
Be eternal= Have no beginning or end. You are the existence that people enter & can never exit (even at death) because you have no end. The totality with no end. The infinity. All experiences are contained within you and you transcend them
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And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Which is in revelation 21:6
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And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Which is in revelation 21:6
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Difficul one. Let me just said this:

God is the endless, timeless space before the Creation of the Universe, and its the endless, timeless space after that.

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4 months 2 weeks ago

No because he is the creator and he was in the beginning of the world.



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