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Posted On: 2018-02-14 09:29:22
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How Useful is the NHS Today?

According to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, approximately 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

British government data shows the number of people going abroad for healthcare increased from 48,000 in 2014 to almost 144,000 in 2016, as the health service struggles to cope with demand.

Medigo.com, which provides medical travel advice, said enquiries from Britons had more than trebled in the last six months, which could mean that at least 190,000 are planning to travel abroad.

WHY?

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How Useful is NHS Today? Lets see, it costs $30,000 on average to give Vaginal birth in USA and $50,000 to give Ceserian birth, and this is IF you have typical Health insurance in USA. While in UK and Countries like UK where they have Socialized Universal Healthcare (aka NHS), it is either FREE or 99% less, to give birth. eg:

http://www.health.com/pregnancy/cost-royal-birth

Of course you are a Republican lunatic so these Truth in this regard you do not seek but lies spewed at you by Wall Street based Media resulting in USA lacking something as basic and necessary as NHS. So what People need to realize, Wall Street based Media that has resulted in USA lacking something as basic and necessary as NHS is not just the right-wing lying Machines of Fox, CNBC, etc. but Wall Street based Media also includes Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. just these Internet based Wall Street based Media control the Info, aka lie, in new ways compared to old Media. e.g:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/16/google-autocomplete-rightwing-bias-algorithm-political-propaganda

So thanks GOD for this Anoox that lets us get the Truth out 😱
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Apparently Jessica, you believe that every patient is pregnant. You have failed to address the failure of NHS on ALL OTHER FRONTS.
More of NHS patients die waiting for appointments, from complications following surgery and inadequate care than anyone in the U.S. It costs more here and has much better outcomes.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/5/16855814/voxcare-british-health-care-crisis
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TOS, the Trump Republican enemy within:

1st, It is not just UK that has Socialized Universal Health (NHS), but so do all Developed Nations, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama Democrats & the right-wing Media

2nd, Countries with NHS you may wait a few months for ELECTIVE surgery, but in USA you will wait for EVER if you do not have the health insurance and/or Deductible/Co-pay rip-offs

Ah why I am talking with a Trump Republican lunatic :(
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Silly Jessy.

All developed nations do NOT have NHS. Get your facts straight and quit copying & pasting lies.
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All developed nations do have Universal Socialized healthcare.
Exception of course is USA, which means then USA is not a developed nation, but a poor 3rd World Country.

Here in case you are so IQ challenged that you can not do this on your own:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system

And in case you are unable to read on your own, quoting:
" United States system is the most expensive, it consistently underperforms compared to the other countries. A major difference between the United
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2 months 3 weeks ago
the United States is the only country without universal health care. "

Of course anyone with an Ounce of brain knows these facts on their own by now since these facts been listed Gazillion times by so many Media sources or if you just traveled through out Europe, Canada, etc. as many have and seen with our own Eyes what a catastrophe US Health care is compared to their Universal Socialized Health care.
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Jessica, you are wasting your time talking with these Trump Republican True Enemy within. After all one day these Mother F***s will say that: "Universal Socialized Health care (NHS) will bankrupt us and how are we going to pay for it"
When then informed that NHS costs 50% LESS than US style for profit Wall Street Health care, then they will say some crazy thing as this guy has said. When you present them fact that this is of course the case, as you have. Then he might say some other
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crazy such as: "We have NHS in US too...."

So they will say any and all Crazy in opposing NHS for American People, resulting in 100,000+ Americans being killed per Year due to No Health care, 2-Million+ Americans going bankrupt per Year due to Health care costs, etc. all so that Wall Street Cabal that controls MSM from CNN to MSNBC to Psychos on Fox can make $1-Trillion more per Year due to Health care costs off the back of American People, DAMN be the American People.
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Silly Jessy,

You are one of the FEW people anywhere that believe the U.S. is not a developed country. Just because you believe something does not make it true. And changing the common definition is a fool's way of avoiding responsibility for spreading lies.

Unreal Time, you are also wrong when you say "we have NHS in US too...." Please quit spreading lies. The media spreads enough lies without you adding to them.
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Jessica, you are another, who makes false comments against those with superior information.
Any person who fails to understand that in order to have a successful socialized healthcare system, you MUST HAVE a growing population to tax.
If the retired aging, sick and dying (which require a huge amount of medical service) is larger, in number than their children's generation any NHS is doomed to eventually fail.
The cut off is 2.1 children per couple. Israel has 3.06 per couple.
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It comes down to simple math. Any country that isn't birthing over 2.1 children/couple should stay with private healthcare.
Countries like Canada must ultimately go bankrupt or abandon universal healthcare.
The U.S. does not have a high enough birth rate either. Here the problem is also complicated by having a mixed private and socialized healthcare system. If it were purely private the cost would be controlled by competition, like any other consumable.
I hope this helps you to understand.
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Lets see everyone in UK has Healthcare, everyone in Austria has Healthcare, everyone in Denmark has Healthcare, everyone in France has Healthcare, etc. Countries whom all have Socialized Healthcare, while these Countries spend 50% less on Healthcare compared to USA for profit Wall Street based Healthcare where 50-Mill+ have NO Healthcare and Millions going bankrupt per Year due to Healthcare while Healthcare is taking a deficit busting 18% of GDP, YET you are so brain dead to ask this question!
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VB, you see that Republicans are the True Enemy within. So to them something so absolutely necessary and essential as NHS, that 100% of all Developed Nations have including their beloved Israel, when it comes to American People is "Socialism", "How do we afford it", and etc. psycho babble. So it is obvious that these Republicans True Enemy within, while love Israel, UK, etc whom all has NHS, will do anything and will say any lies to oppose something so basic and essential for USA :(
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EVERYONE in America has access to healthcare BY LAW. Your 50+ million people CANNOT be denied healthcare. EVEN YOU could get healthcare in America if you came here and needed it.

DarkJessy,

If NHS is so essential, how did the world survive THOUSANDS of years WITHOUT it? Even the ancient Egyptians were TOO smart to have NHS. Supposedly you are smarter than they were, but your posts indicate that humanity as a whole has DUMBED down since the Ancient Egyptians existed.
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V.B & J.S. why don't you actually try to learn what is going on, what the laws are and how the competing systems are dealing with healthcare?
Instead, it appears that you both keep going back to some aberrant website, like realdumbposts.org where ignorance and hate are shared equally among its substandard members. This "trailer park of the internet" is run by the stupidest people ever to troll Anoox.
mmerlinn and I have been kind enough to school you "special" students for free.
Be grateful.
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As a British citizen I can tell you that NHS is absolutely vital to Today life. And in fact even the Conservative party in UK is 100% behind our Government run socialized health care, NHS, where everyone gets health care free for Taxes we pay. So no one has to be under Terror of either not having health care or going bankrupt due to health care costs as Millions of Americans do each year. In fact any civilized modern Country realizes that NHS is as essential to well being of a country as having free Military, Fire Dept, etc. for Taxes people pay. So only an American Psycho would ask such an asinine question to imply that NHS is something but great.
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Soggy, apparently you are too young to have watched any of your relatives die while waiting months for care that they needed now. Come back with your praises of NHS in 15 years after you become an adult. By then you will have seen how bad Socialism is in the "keep-you-sick" industry.

The NHS is the standard bearer of the saying that SOCIALISM is the EQUAL sharing of MISERY, while FREEDOM is the UNequal sharing of QUALITY.
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Soggy, although your answer may show you to be a moron, your spelling and dialect shows us that you are not a British moron, but an American one.
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Buddy you have shown your lack of intelligence by changing my nick to "Soggy" which is what a sort of thing that a troll does.
And (American) Psycho non of my relatives have died waiting months for care since we get health care FREE for Taxes we pay, but I know that 10s of 1000s of Americans DIE per Year due to having no health insurance or cannot afford the $10000 per person deductibles, etc.
And f***g Moron we have been praising NHS for 40 Years. And it has been praised by Conservatives
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and Labor the same. And furthermore in fact you (American) Psycho whereas US for profit Wall Street based health care is ranked at the very bottom of all lists for health care, NHS has been ranked at top of all such rankings as of course would be the case since our People beside getting health care FREE for Taxes we pay, spend 50% less on health care too. Here you IDIOT:

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40608253

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And in case you are so Stupid to be saying the crap that you have said, you are so brain dead that is 2018 and Trump wants to pass TrumpCare to result in even more Americans without Healthcare, here are some more such studies that show NHS as #1 while US health care is dead last:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-health-service-best-most-equal-ranking-us-worst-commonwealth-fund-america-a7841226.html

"Using data from the World Health Organisation (WHO)" and not Fox you IDIOT :(

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Soggy, only an idiot would use any data from ANY left wing source, like Fox. Your data sources clearly show your lack of brain power.

No one is without health care in America. I will give you a pass on that since you don't live here.

ANY kind of SOCIALISM in the health field, like TrumpCare, DESTROYS MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE and is UNAmerican. I will give you a pass on that too since the Brits have NO idea what FREEDOM means.
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Soggy, you are giving morons a bad name. Any U.S. citizen without insurance or the means to pay for it is given treatment FREE under the Medicaid law. They merely have to seek treatment at any hospital that has an emergency room.
https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/benefits/list-of-benefits/index.html
The above will show you that they are covered for treatment by federal law.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/03/doctors-patients-government-failing-stop-nhs-crisis
NO part of the U.S. healthcare system is on a BLACK ALERT, Soggy!!!
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Listen you bloody fools, NHS employs 10% of UK economy. So obviously it is going to have problems and can and is always being improved. So this article you referred to is not saying lets replace our Socialized Universal Health where everyone gets health care free for Taxes paid with US for profit Health were 10s of Millions have no health care and Millions going bankrupt due to health care costs.

Again Socialized NHS ranks 1st with US for profit Wall Street based health care raking LAST.
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In case you bloody fools are too brain dead to know these facts on your own as your clown President Trump just tweeted few weeks ago, here is report from World Health Organisation (WHO), that NHS ranks 1st with US for profit wall street based health care ranking LAST:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-health-service-best-most-equal-ranking-us-worst-commonwealth-fund-america-a7841226.html

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Listen you dimwit. NO NATION with a birthrate under the replacement numbers and/or is hosting a large number of immigrants leaching off of the social welfare programs can support an NHS into perpetuity.
It is only a numbers game; as one generation of taxpayers retires they leave behind ever-fewer people to take over the tax burden. With the government fully in charge, there are no good outcomes.
The NHS is experiencing problems related to bureaucratic control. There are extended...
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...wait times for surgeries and a postoperative death rate four times higher than in the U.S. As for troubles with the NHS, they are only starting.
Soggy, if you want an idea of how far the NHS will go to save you, please contact Christopher Gard or Constance Yates they would be happy to tell you about their son Charlie.
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Zogby, these People such as ThomatOurStore, are either utter lunatics or worse. So no matter how much facts you provide these lunatics it will not do any good.
After all it is 2018 and 100% of all developed Nations have had Socialized Healthcare (NHS) for decades and as you noted even the Conservative parties in UK, as rest of Europe are 100% for their/your NHS. WHY? Because NHS means people getting healthcare free for Taxes people pay while spending 50% less on
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healthcare compared to US for profit Wall Street based healthcare. So who but utter lunatics or the True Enemy of a Nation would be not for NHS, which Republicans and Democrats in USA are not. So based on these facts, and as you have well noted based on fact that UK NHS ranks 1st in Health care results while USA for profit Wall Street based healthcare ranks last, who but a total lunatic or Worse would be against NHS.
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I see the LIAR is back touting that 100% of all developed nations have had Socialized Healthcare for decades. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Of course, artificial intelligence still has a lonnnnnnng way to go before ROBOTS can learn the truth.
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mmerlinn, we have ONLY given this group facts and they have responded with their cut and paste opinions.
With each idiot, in their group, quoting his fellow idiots and calling it facts, you begin to wonder if they can feed themselves.
You and I have differing opinions, but we recognize the same facts. These morons believe that facts are the things said by someone they know.
Every argument has two sides, but a fact has only one.
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Zogby, RT, etc. it is pointless to have intelligent discussions with these Republican lunatics. I mean if by 2018 these people are such lunatics or worse to not realize what the Conservatives, Liberals, etc. parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. have realized DECADES ago which is Socialized Health care (NHS) is only way to run the Health care of a Country because it gives Health care to all while cut Health care spending by 50% then they are either lunatics or WORSE True Enemy within.
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So of course these Trump Republican Fox brain washed fully know that NHS is only way to run the Health care of a Country because:

1- Their beloved Israel has NHS.
2- Their much admired as symbol of Conservatism Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK has NHS.
3- In fact all Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc. are all 100% for their NHS.
etc.

So the only explanation for why they oppose this for American People is that they are a traitorous Enemy within.
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Real_Puppet, your cognition level is getting worse and worse. Lumping me with the "Trump Republican Fox" crowd makes NO SENSE at all since 1) I did not vote for Trump, 2) I have never voted Republican, & 3) I have never owned a TV nor any other device that can view Fox. Apparently you spend all of your time (when not here) being brainwashed by leftist sites such as Fox.
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Further, at no time have I ever stated anything about liking or disliking Israel, so that comment makes no sense either.

Finally, ALL of the conservative parties you noted are so far left that they are only viewed as conservative because you Socialists make them look conservative.

All in all, your posts are getting more nonsensical each and every time you post. Pretty soon your posts will look like you are dancing on your keyboard like a monkey.
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I fail to see how upholding FREEDOM granted to us by the forefathers of America can in any way be traitorous. The real traitors are those that are dead set on REMOVING all freedom from America.
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Dang, I must be human. I did a typo 3 posts back. Should have the 'Deporter' instead of 'Real_Puppet.' This site REALLY needs an EDIT button.

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Reporter when have YOU or any of your fellow buffoons tried "intelligent discussions"?
You fools have spent all of your time and energy trying to bully everyone into letting your stupid thoughts stand as truth. That can't happen. Your brain-dead group and its mindless thoughts have no value. There is a truth, about every ran you have made, but you don't know it and won't listen when we tell it to you. You have nothing going for you, moron.
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Reporter, anyone who is such a bloody fool to not be for universal socialized health care by 2018 is beyond hope. And at the same time these Republican fools love Israel which has also universal socialized health can only be explained by them being a true enemy of American People. Again NHS listed 1st and USA for profit Health care listed last:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-health-service-best-most-equal-ranking-us-worst-commonwealth-fund-america-a7841226.html

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Soggy, you perverts seem to be shilling for the world's bureaucrats. "Republican fools love Israel" because it is the only country, with socialized medicine, that can actually afford it.
The other governments, which socialized their medical care are loved by Reporter, Soggy & RealParrot for putting their citizens in peril. Hitler would be so proud of them. Let the people enter into the NHS and then you can pick and choose if they get care, based on their politics.
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The basis of today's NHS was indeed from Nazi Germany although in most cases the patients are not killed or allowed to die.
https://fee.org/articles/national-health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945/
The principles of Full Disclosure dictate that I warn you - This article contains multi-syllable (big) words with difficult (hard) meanings. Heil Soggy.
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WOW You actually said: "The basis of today's NHS was indeed from Nazi Germany"
other psycho filth you have written.

Thank you for illustrating for to all vividly see without shadow of a doubt as to what evil F***G psychos you Trump Republicans in USA have become thanks to the filth that pours out of the ultra right-wing Wall Street Media such as Fox, Pyschos on TalkRadio, etc. After all you F***G psycho:

It is not just Germany from Nazis that have Universal Socialized Health (NHS), but
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so do Brits, French, Swedes, Danes, etc. all European countries, as does Canada, and including Trump Republican right-wing Medias most favored Israel, etc.

After all, what does NHS mean? It means all Citizens of a Country having Health for Taxes they pay. So that NO one goes Bankrupt due to healthcare costs as 2-Million+ Americans do per Year, and NO one is Killed due NO healthcare as 10s of 1000s of Americans do per Year. So who but the True Enemy of a Nation would be against such good 🙈
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"It means all Citizens of a Country having Health for Taxes they pay"

Wow, total nonsense. No one needs to pay anyone anything to have health. That is one issue. The other issue is that you imply that if someone pays taxes that he will have health. Total nonsense too. The two are in NO way related. One CAN have health without paying for it, and paying for health does NOT guarantee that one will have health.

No wonder you have a hard time convincing anyone of anything.
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Well this is one of top debating topic in world and The NHS is currently facing the biggest challenge in its existence due to some major changes in offering their services to people and recently I read news that stop Brexit if you want to save the NHS and get free medical treatment. There too much controversy happening in the current situation.
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Laura, whatever problems UK is having with NHS pale in comparison to state of Healthcare in USA where 100-Million+ have either NO Healthcare at all or affordable Healthcare since typical Healthcare in USA comes with Exorbitant $700 per Person monthly premium, $10,000 per Year per person Deductibles,
20% Co-pay, etc. rip-offs. Resulting in 2-Million+ Americans going bankrupt per Year due to Healthcare costs and other Horrors.

For more check out:
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All so that Wall Street can make an EXTRA $1-Trillion per Year off Healthcare, damn be how many Millions of Americans this kills per Year or bankrupts.

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http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=184795

http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=64892

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system

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As usual, the Parrot is parroting lies and more lies.
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Real_Parrot, once again you have shown the world that not 70%, not 80%, not 90%, but 100% of those, from RealDumbPost.org, who try to push the NHS-style of healthcare on Americans are as stupid as a bag of rocks.
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So as others have noted as per numbers you have provided yourself this means that 99.99%+ of Britons and Canadians get their Healthcare from their Socialized health system. Now to really see why Single payer Socialized health (NHS) is the best way to run health services of a Country consider what is happening to small businesses such as mine in USA vs small businesses in countries with NHS. Here in USA I as a small businesses have to pay Medicare Taxes but on top of that I have to buy exorbitant Health insurance for my employees which Health insurance is going up Year after Year while giving my employees less and less care/value due to ever higher deductibles and co-pays WHILE in Countries with NHS they pay their Medicare Taxes and for these Taxes their employees get Healthcare so they DO NOT have to buy Health insurance, which means they have an unfair Advantage over us small businesses in USA. Damn you Republican traitors :(
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What the numbers DO NOT SAY is how many Brits and Canucks would go abroad for health care IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT. Because of that CoaledToast, your numbers are MEANINGLESS as by YOUR OWN ADMISSION 99.99% of Brits and Canucks are TRAPPED AND MUST TRY TO SURVIVE NHS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.
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ColdToast, are you talking about the rats abandoning the sinking NHS ship?
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I used to live in the UK 20 years ago and NHS was already cripling... I was on a business trip last year and I had to go to an NHS hospital for an emergency... and I had to wait for 4 hours in order to be seen... Need I say more?
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Another NHS (National Horror Story) from Britain.
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Assuming this number is even True, that proves the fact that NHS is the only way to run Healthcare of a Country, since that means that 99.99% of Brits did not go abroad for healthcare and instead got it for FREE at home for having Universal Socialized healthcare (NHS).

2nd, even that tiny number of Brits going abroad for healthcare can be explained by: people who went outside Britain such as to Romania to get plastic surgery such as Breast Augmentation, at much lower cost than in UK, which of course as a cosmetic surgery is not and should not be covered by NHS.
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Well that is also a great further answer to this Republican traitors comments about NHS. Because indeed the 0.01% of Brits, Canadians, etc. that are going outside the Country for their Healthcare they are doing so to get cheaper Cosmetic surgery which of course NHS should not cover. OR they are Multi Billionaires coming to USA for their Healthcare where they know they can get preferential treatment over 100-Million US Citizens whom either have NO healthcare or healthcare they can afford.
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Once again you morons are busy spreading ignorance as opposed to the enlightenment I offer. 100% of the idiots that believe that the majority of today's NHS can't work through the simplest math problem.
One generation fails to have enough children (future taxpayers) to replace itself. That same generation gets older and retires (no longer paying taxes) and gets sicker, requiring more and more NHS services. Those services are paid for by fewer and fewer taxpayers, over subsequent generations...
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...until taxes either become too high or the NHS has to refuse services or just can't keep up.
The critical number of births is anything over 2.1 births per woman will be enough to replace a retiring, aging and sick older generation and sustain a workable NHS.
Canada's birthrate is 1.6/woman, France is 2.01, Germany is 1.5, U.S. is 1.84 and Israel is 3.09/woman.
In simple math the NHS will last longer in France, than in Germany or Canada. Israel's NHS is fully sustainable and the U.S...
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...would be foolish to start something that will fail.
I have laid out the math and the expert opinions in such an easy format that only the most stupid person would still believe that the NHS will work in the U.S. or anywhere, with a birthrate lower than 2.1 children per woman.
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Duh, NHS will work anywhere at any time AS LONG AS NO ONE GETS SICK, BECOMES OLD, OR GETS INJURED! i wonder how many minions think they will never get sick, never get old, and never get injured.
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7 months 1 day ago
They also probably never pay taxes, unless welfare now requires it.
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