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Posted On: 2017-12-04 10:36:36
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Why would anyone want the U.S. to be like Europe?

Many admire Europe for: its socialized medicine, open borders and repressive gun laws, all of which are becoming problematic, in light of the rampant influx of refugees, who refuse to earn their keep.

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European policies over millennia have resulted in more blood per square foot shed on European soil than anywhere else in the world, so why in hell do we need to bring that to America?

And if you think that the blood spilling has ended, you need to wake up before you become a victim of the NEXT round of bloody wars.
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"Some day, following the example of the United States of America, there will be a United States of Europe." - George Washington
Socialism is one of the ways that keep Europe from being free.
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mmerlinn, every time you Republicans open your mouth, you further prove what utter lunatics you are. "European Policies over Millennia" is what Europe Today is not following and instead Europe today is in a European Union, so that a French person can work and live anywhere he/she wants in Germany, and visversa for a German in France. And they even use the same currency now called the Euro, which Euro is kicking the ASS of US Dollar.

As a result of which Europe is living in total Peace and
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prosperity where beside there being NO "bloodshed on European soil" you freaking Moron, Europe has Murder rates by Guns that are like 0.1% of that of USA. As per the fact that while USA in average one Mass shooting per Week, from Vegas to Texas, to etc., UK has has ZERO Mass shooting in 20 Years. You retard.

As a result of all of which facts, of the TOP 20 Cities in the World 80% are in Europe and ZERO% are in USA.

And 100% of which Top cities are in Countries that have
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Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS).

How stupid can you People be to ignore all these facts, ignore that Europe today is in a Union where they leave in Peace and prosperity and somehow by some osmosis you think anyone is saying USA should be like Europe pre-WWII which lead to blood shed in Europe!

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Stinky, the fact is that Europe, though currently "united", is still a hodge podge of clashing cultures, each out to best the others. Sooner or later, it will all spectacularly come apart at the seams and blood will spill again.

BTW, Europe has been united in the past under the iron rule of Charlemagne, and even it came apart at the seams. So, too, will modern Europe.
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mmerlinn, only in the mind of you Republican lunatics is the case that:
"(Europe) Sooner or later, it will all spectacularly come apart..."
not in reality.
To be exact the likelihood of their being a Civil War in USA, as rare as that it is, is much higher of their being a Civil War again in Europe.

So as TD as noted, how brain dead can you be to when asked "Who wants to be like Europe" you go and refer to Europe of 50 Years ago, rather than Europe of today where they are in a FREAKING Union

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so that a German can live and work anywhere he or she wants in France and visversa. So that they all use the same currencies. etc. facts of them being in a Union. So put simply Europeans learned from their mistakes and wrongs which lead to WWII that the way to live is not via War after War and the Rich getting richer and the HELL with everyone else, but the way to live is through being in Peace, through having strong Welfare state (Social services), etc.

But USA rather than learning from
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mistakes of Europeans which lead to WWII is repeating all the mistakes and wrongs of Europeans of 50+ Years ago, and as a result it is repeating all the mistakes and wrongs of Europeans of pre-WWII as a result of which USA is engaged in War after War after under Democrats & Republicans, USA lacks all the Social services that Europeans have (aka Welfare State), etc. as a result of which USA is way behind Europe in every major sense, from having WORSE Healthcare, to WORSE Murder rates, etc. etc.

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Because Europeans are not suffering from Republican lunatics and worse than that the Wall Street based right-wing Media that makes the Republican lunatics that they are and Democrats just talk and no real action, as per the fact that USA has structural problems that Republicans and right-wing Media champion, resulting in the Sociopath Trump which is doing nothing for American People and Cities but spew hate and fear, as a result of which life in European Cities is much better than USA, which you can see by:

"These are the 20 greatest cities to live in"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/galleries/The-worlds-most-liveable-cities/

where as you can see most of the "greatest cities to live in" are in Europe and NONE is in USA.
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The American cities which could be the greatest on earth, have only one thing holding them back - Democrats.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15489/three-democrat-run-cities-are-most-responsible-john-nolte#
New York City benefitted from a Republican in office:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263495/curse-violent-crime-democrat-run-cities-discover-networks
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Thomat, what do European Cities have?
They have "socialized medicine", just like your beloved Israel has.
They have strict Gun laws, what you called "repressive gun laws".
They have Socialized college education.
They have by law 6 Months paid leave for mothers.
etc. etc. Socialized services, aka Welfare, ALL of which you Republicans oppose for American Cities and People. And none of which Democrats have even proposed to pass. And you are so brain dead to not see any of these facts!
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Yes2Anything, James Madison once said: “With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the details of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proof was not contemplated by its creators.”
Our Framers knew socialism very well and decided not to enslave our future generations, in such a way.
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ThomatOurStore, so you think Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. whom all get Healthcare FREE for Taxes they pay, while they spend 50% less on Healthcare, are "enslave to socialism"?

While American people who 10s of Millions have NO Healthcare, 2-Million+ are going bankrupt due to Healthcare costs, while We spend twice as much on Healthcare, because we have for profit Wall Street based Healthcare are Free?

Wake up that it is US that is "Slave to Wall Street" because this same
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Wall Street Billionaires also control our Media, and as a result they have brain washed the low IQ people such as yourself, that Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. whom all get Healthcare FREE for Taxes they pay, are "enslave to socialism".

Wake up man that the Slave Masters are those Wall Street Billionaires who control Fox, Rush, etc. orifices of ultra right-wing Media and the real slave are People like you who have fallen for their multi Trillion SCAM on US.

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FactsUnlikely, the U.S. is the only country on the planet built around the word "Freedom". Socialism, even in its mildest form is a trade-off of freedom for a collectivist benefit. The U.S. has been the most desirable place to live, work and raise a family, for over two centuries, because people are FREE to pursue their own interests. No other country can claim anything close.
People, in the U.S., even have the freedom to make bad choices and fail, but when they do, they vote for a (D)o-over.
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So Thomat you think being Slave to Wall Street based Healthcare companies so that 2-Million Americans go bankrupt per Year due to Healthcare costs, 10s of 1000s of Americans are KILLED per Year due to no Healthcare, etc. Horrors is being "Freedom"?

And you think Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. whom get Healthcare FREE for Taxes they pay, are "enslave to socialism"?

As horrific as it is that you and Millions of Republicans in USA say such insane things, more horrific it is that this insanity, this UPSIDE DOWN

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World from reality, from what is good, is pouring out of Wall Street based Media, aka right-wing lying Media, on 24/7 basis from 1000 different sources. Either by them not reporting these facts to American People from ABC CNN MSNBC etc. to actually saying the non-sense that you have said from Fox, psychos on Talkradio, etc. as a result of which Millions of Americans such as you have become so brain dead, so insane, to say the UPSIDE DOWN from good that you say.

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Once again Fakonly, you have shown how idiotic you and millions like you have become, by following the corrupt and criminal corporate left-wing media propaganda. That you cannot understand simple math as it relates to the future failure of the NHS model. That you are willing to kill every citizen's healthcare just to save "10s of 1000s of Americans" from bankruptcy is the stupidest thing you have ever said (although you say an awful lot of stupid things).
Anyone, who thinks of Comedy...
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Central as a news source, like you, hasn't any intellectual advantage over spoiled milk.
Previously I advised you to read a book, but now I must suggest that you avoid the books that come with a box of crayons. You couldn't learn to stay within the lines anyway.

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Are you real or just really stupid! Lets see:

1- Europeans have much higher life spans than Americans, while they spend half as much on healthcare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system

Do you see that bizarre Upside DOWN bar in that chart vs other OECD Countries? That is Healthcare results of USA and how much it is costing vs other OECD Countries. As you can see USA has the worse Healthcare results by far compared to other OECD Countries, but as bad as that is, it gets WORSE, since USA is also spending twice more than OECD Countries to have this WORSE among all OECD Countries Healthcare results!

2- Europeans have 0.1% of the mass shootings that USA has
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

3- Of the top 20 Cities in the World 80% are in Europe and ZERO in USA
https://mobilityexchange.mercer.com/Insights/quality-of-living-rankings

Shall one go on?
So only someone with an IQ below a Cockroach, would ask the question you have asked given how much better life is in Europe compared to USA.
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Really, who but a total lunatic would be against socialized medicine which gives healthcare to all the people of the country while resulting in spending "50% less on healthcare compared to US for profit wall street based healthcare"?
I mean just think: Walk into any Restaurant in USA that servers the 99% and ask your Waiter, Waitress, etc if they have healthcare and then watch the look of real TERROR in their face as they reply to you that they do not.
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This means in typical Restaurant in USA your Waiter, your Waitress, your line Cook, your Chef, etc. have NO Healthcare, so whether they catch Ebola or whatever infecious disease, this means they cannot go to Doctor and effectively treat that infecious disease as they could in European Countries with NHS, but instead they would have to suffer under that infecious disease and once bleeding out of their face then they could be admitted into ER, by which time it would cost much more to treat
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their infecious disease, if not too late at all to treat that infecious disease, and by that time very likely they would have passed that infecious disease to you and your family.

Who but a total lunatic or the enemy of a Nation would be against "socialized medicine" which would stop this? Which would give Healthcare to the 99% of Restaurant employees in USA that have NO healthcare.

Which facts the JOKE that is ObamaCare made no difference in because it is not "socialized medicine".
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Yes, somehow to Republicans and right-wing Media in USA, 10s of Millions of Americans not having Healthcare while we spend twice as much on Healthcare so Wall Street can make 100s of Billions more on Healthcare off the back of the American People is a good thing. While in Europe, as in their BELOVED Israel, having Universal Healthcare while spending 50% less on Healthcare because they have "socialized medicine" is a bad thing!

Welcome to brain washed UPSIDE DOWN world of Fox viewers.

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Buzzy, only a total ingrate would believe as you do. Never fear these strings are full of them. Don't worry Faxonly and legare are more than willing to agree with your foolish statements.
Because of Israels native birthrate and no refugees flooding their systems, they have the only NHS with a future.
If a country does not maintain a native birthrate of 2.1 it does not replace its aging population of FORMER taxpayers, with new ones.
It could turn to immigration to make up the shortfall but...
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...that means that the new arrivals must be willing and capable of working. These are not the people now flooding Europe and only creating an added burden on the NHS. With more and more sick and elderly in each country there is much less money to pay for services, which must be cut back or denied, unless the patients can pay. Mathematically, most European countries will have a bankrupt and broken NHS, in less than one generation.
Canada is following Europe in low birthrate and immigration...
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...mistakes.
The U.S. is already the medical haven of choice for many of the NHS countries, where many people are willing to pay more to live, rather than die on the cheap.
Gun deaths are a matter of culture, not weapons, and the culture of many Democrat constituencies needs to be corrected.
U.S. cities that could be the finest on earth are cesspools of Democrat-induced violence, poverty and racism. See how a change turned around crime in NYC:...
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263495/curse-violent-crime-democrat-run-cities-discover-networks
Your stand is the same taken by the corrupt, corporate left-wing media, their fake news and the partnership of the criminal left
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Thank you for proving what a Zionist tool or brain washed fool you are by saying:

"Because of Israels native birthrate and no refugees flooding their systems, they have the only NHS with a future"

So Israel having Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) is excellent and makes them stronger, while if we have NHS in USA that makes us "Socialists and Nazis".

Really what better proof than above contradiction of Republicans and right-wing Media do you need to see that they are the

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True Enemy within? Well listen to what this True Enemy within then says next to justify this contradiction:

"If a country does not maintain a native birthrate of 2.1 it does not replace"

So he is using the fact that Israel has NHS so their Woman (families) can give Birth for FREE, Free for Taxes they pay, which then allows them to have many Children as the basis of his psycho argument. While they oppose same NHS for American People, resulting in pregnancy costing an American about $30,000
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per Child which forces many American Woman not to have Children or have Abortions, because of the exorbitant cost of giving birth in USA, to argue against having NHS for American People.

So you see Republicans and right-wing Media, do this all the time. That is they use as their argument the misery and failures that their other policies are causing American People for more policies that cause American People more misery and failures.
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RealStupid, the person who is reading these posts to you is doing it too fast. Exposing yourself as a Jew hater, fits into your image as a Nazi.
Israel has a current birthrate of 3.09 children per Jewish Israeli woman. Since a minimum birthrate of 2.1 is required to replace dead or retired taxpayers and make an NHS work, Israel is the only country on the list that can support such a system. The further under 2.1 that a country is the faster the system goes bankrupt.
I am sure that you are...
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...feeling really stupid, right now, but I tried to present these facts in many ways, but you and your fellow numbskulls can only cut and paste your brain-dead responses rather than employ reason.
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Thomat the Pyscho, NO you are an American Hater. For you FAWKING Ahole, AGAIN: Israel has a "3.09 children per Jewish Israeli woman" because they have Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), so that Israeli Women can give birth for FREE, free for Taxes they pay. So typical Israeli family has like 8 Kids.

OTOH, since in USA since we do not have NHS, thanks to you Republicans True Enemy within, typical American Woman is looking at $30,000+ cost for each child birth and that is
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for the 2 days at the Hospital to give birth, lets not even talk about pre-natal care and post birth care. And it gets worse, an Israeli Woman giving birth gets about 1 Year of PAID leave for having a Child by LAW, whereas NO such a Law in USA.

So it is because of you Republican True Enemy within, Mother FAWKERS, that USA has such a low birth rate and such high abortion rates, since typical American Woman simply CANNOT afford the cost of giving birth.
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RealDumb, it looks as if NHS is hoping that storks will start delivering babies again, with the climbing death rate for mothers and infants in so many hospitals
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/dec/16/call-to-review-baby-death-rates-at-more-than-20-nhs-trusts-and-boards
NHS death rates 4 to 7 times higher than U.S. for same procedures: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-195277/NHS-death-rates-times-higher-US.html
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Yet again you have proven what lunatics or worse you Republicans in USA have become due to lunatic lies that gushers out of Wall Street based right-wing Media. After all:

1- It is not just Europeans that have socialized medicine, so do every other developed Nations, including Israel the fav nation of Republicans Obama/Clinton Democrats and right-wing Media. WHY? Because only a lunatic or enemy of a Nation would be against socialized medicine, since their socialized medicine means giving healthcare to all their people FREE for taxes they pay, while spending 50% less on healthcare compared to US for profit wall street based healthcare.

2- Only in the mind of Republican lunatics do Europeans have "repressive gun laws". In the mind of sane people Europeans have sensible Gun laws as a result of which while USA has one mass shooting per Week, UK has had ZERO mass shootings in 20 Years.

Moron :(
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And you can add to this list the fact that the "influx of refugees" in Europe are due to US Wars under Bush_Obama_Clinton_Trump, by waging illegal Wars on Iraq, Libya, etc. to destroy their Secular regimes and replace their Secular regimes with Islamic States as in Saudi Arabia that they support, thus having turned these countries into Genocidal Hell holes forcing their People to become refugees, to Europe.
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RealHype, you wouldn't be able to function on line if your computer's "cut and paste" feature had a problem.
All three of your points have been disproven over and over again. They have ceased to be valid.
Try something more suited to your lofty mental powers, like Sasquatch sightings, whether Elvis might be alive or theories about Nessie. You should find many kindred intellects there.

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