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Posted On: 2017-09-25 09:07:30
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What you think about professional athletes not standing for national anthem?

Good day everyone. I know I've been away for a minute, but I would like to know how you all feel about the recent comments and actions concerning professional athletes not standing for the national anthem? Do you believe they are disrespecting the flag, yes or no? I am asking because I as a Veteran of the US Army MP Corpse and as a Christian I may have different views than others, but I'd like to hear from you and let's all respect and appreciate each other's views.
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They are a disgrace to the country and should in no way be allowed to be a part of an American team.
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If they don't stand for National Anthem, they should not play!
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The issue is not that simple. They are demonstrating against rampant Police brutality in USA. And by putting a Knee down they are doing it in the most f***g civil manner you can.
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The issue is exactly that simple. They are creating a toxic workplace environment for what is largely racist reasons. Fire them, or fine them until they comply.
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If they do not do what they are PAID to do, they should be FIRED. The fans PAY to see them PLAY, NOT to listen to a LECTURE.
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9 months 3 weeks ago
Mmerlinn,

People do not lose or surrender their First Amendment rights or citizenship just because they are working.

Do you lose your First Amendment rights when you're working at the troll factory?
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Wheelie, apparently you have never read nor understood the Constitution. The Constitution ONLY defines rights between the GOVERNMENT and its citizens. It does NOT address any rights between citizens.

Therefore, a private citizen per the Constitution has NO rights more nor less than any other private citizen. So, private citizens have NO rights to lose nor surrender when working for any private company.

For someone that supposedly has degrees, I question whether you even earned them.
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Wheeler has previously admitted that his Lesbian Dance Theory degree never required knowledge of the U.S. Constitution.
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The answers I see on this topic are always leaning to the right or the left. It is far simpler than that. As a human being we are granted free will, and if they don't want to stand that is up to them. But on the other side of that coin, You have the choice to stop watching football if you find their actions distasteful. Advertisers have every right to pull their dollars. The NFL and team leadership can penalize the players if they see fit. It all boils down to the choices, and the choices made by people and organizations have consequences, both negative and positive. Kneel during the anthem, it may negatively impact your organization and your personal career, or it may bring attention to an issue that is more important to you than negative effects. Watch football knowing what has been going on, and it may upset your personal views, or it may inspire you in some way. Choices we all have them.
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The question is how can we have the real Choice of sending all Republicans, from Trump to Ted Crazy to Rush Hannety, etc. to the insane asylums that these lying Anti-American bastards belong to. And bring about real choices in this country, as they have in European countries, etc. of having multiple parties and not have the NO choice of choosing between ultra right-wing Repugs and right-wing Democrats,
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GC, all you are doing is empowering the left: America's oldest and most belligerent enemy.
Conservatism has kept America free, functional and prosperous for our whole history and for the past 160 plus years the centrist Republican Party has been the power for good, against racism, communism, Naziism and the criminal corruption of the Democrats.
You, who do not know our history or cling to leftist revision, are condemned by your willful ignorance.
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1 year 3 months ago
Blah!Blah!Blah!Blah!
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Wheeler, once again, has responded with one of his usual, soaring, intellectual rejoinders.
He and the rest, of his Hitler Youth soulmates, have contributed so much to the fiction content of these conversations that they might almost be missed, if Mom decides that her basement could serve a much better purpose.
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I see Wheelie's intelligence has been put on display again. So sad.
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mmerlinn,

I just don't feel like wasting time trying to convince you or Thom of anything, because both of you are so set in your right-wing twisted mentality that there is nothing I can say, or anyone else, that would convince you or Thom that you both have tiny little narrow minds that are stuck somewhere in the 19th century.

So, why should I just "cast pearls to the swine"?

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Wheeler, you semi-quoted: "cast pearls before swine" from a similar statement that I made about you and your fellow minions' willful ignorance or blindly accepting the false narrative of the corrupt, corporate left-wing media.
It is hard to believe that in this day and age that you and others have willingly become the useful idiots of the left endorsing and spreading their lies, perversions and evil intent.
I suggest that you drop out of your present high school and enroll in one outside of...
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...the Public Indoctrination System. You may never be college material, but there is no reason to stay stupid, for life (please excuse me, if your current undeveloped faculties are an accident of birth).
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Wheelie, trying to convince me to believe your lies is an exercise in futility, so you are correct in assuming that you would be wasting your time. If believing only the truth is an example of being stuck in the 19th century, then, indeed, I will always be stuck in the 19th century. By saying that you are also implying that truth does not exist in the 20th century at all, which means I would never want to move forward to the century of lies. BTW lies are NOT pearls.
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Ditto!
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And, Wheelie, we are NOW in the 21st century, so if the 20th century was nothing but lies, then 21st century (TODAY) is even worse. Since it appears that you are referring to the 1900s as the 19th century (WRONG!!!), HOW IN THE WORLD IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU PROMULGATE???
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mmerlinn,

I was referring to the 19th century as the 1800s. Jackass!

Thom, FYI I am a college graduate. I have two degrees, one and English and the other in Liberal arts.

The two of you deserve each other. I hope you make a happy couple. For me, I finished trying to talk to either one of you.

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Wheeler, you can't stop now you have a new lie to push - that you aren't a high school dropout, who sits on Anoox trying to meddle in adult conversations.
I guess that you learned about "Blah!Blah!Blah!Blah!" in grad school.
"FYI I am a college graduate. I have two degrees, one and English and the other in Liberal arts." - you wouldn't be able to pass high school English on your best day.
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Thom,

No one really gives a damn what you think about anything.
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Wheeler, your lack of reasoning has rendered you irrelevant. Your elementary school level logic, along with your cut and paste talking points, will be easily replaced by any other RealDumbPosts ingrate, on his Mommy's computer.
Don't let the door hit you, on the way out.
BTW, you might find a local high school willing to let you attend their remedial English class. You sadly exhibit the downside, of our revolving door style, educational system. Don't embarrass yourself by bringing up your degree
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ThomatOurStore, you really are the best and saddest example of the Intellectual damage that right-wing Media in USA, such as Fox and psychos on Talkradio, have done to Millions of American People, such as your sorry f***d up ass :(

After all, Wheeler as a Liberal has 2 degrees in "English and the other in Liberal arts". You as a Fox viewer being a white trash are living in a Trailer by the River with a Trump MAGA sign on front of your s***y rusted Van.
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Hmm, at least TOS's rusted van is PAID FOR and is HIS. Not like the minions here that own NOTHING and live in their Mommy's basement.
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And Wheelie may have an English degree, but based on his comments he never learned anything while studying for that degree. That is assuming it is a valid degree and not one from a Cheerios box.
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Cokofluff, how would a racist, like you, know where I live, the color of my skin or for whom I voted?
You are not even smart enough to know your right-wing from your left-wing, so how can you judge the value Of Wheeler's "English degrees"?
Let me give you a better guide. Just read his posts; his grammar and spelling tell a very different story.
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They have every right to protest on THEIR OWN DIME, and NO right to protest on someone else's dime.

When I go to a game I PAY to watch a game, I DO NOT pay to be lectured and I DO NOT pay to see our country and military denigrated.

There is nothing stopping those millionaire cry babies from moving to a country better suited for them since they think they have it so bad here.
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Although one can make weak Argument that they should not protest on the field, such as you saying: "They have every right to protest on THEIR OWN DIME"

The fact remains that the Athletes who demonstrated against Police brutality in USA, are doing all of US a huge great service. Since Police brutality in USA is a horrible fact that needs to be addressed, given that Police in USA shoot more People DEAD in 1 Month than for example Police do in UK in 100 Years!!!
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And to add to your IDIOTness due to the right-wing lying Media in USA, aka Fake News, by saying that:
"nothing stopping those millionaire cry babies"

What better way for a "millionaire" to stand up for those who are being Wronged in USA, whom have NO Voice, since the right-wing Media, aka Fake News, does not cover their Cries. Than these "millionaires" to speak for them, rather than "millionaires" that Wall Street Media covers who just flaunt their wealth by driving a (European) Sport Car.

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Punchy, you sound as if you went 18 rounds with the corrupt, corporate left-wing media types at CNN, MSNBC, NPR etc., the generators of all fake news.
The bottom line is so simple that I am surprised that you missed it.
1) These intellectual lightweights are not covered by the 1st Amendment on the field.
2) The data suggests that America does not, in fact, have a problem with racist police violence โ€” instead, it has several quite distinct problems with racism, policing, and civil violence.
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The overall occupational fatality rate among American police was 16 per 100,000. Thatโ€™s almost as high as the total homicide victimization rate among African-Americans, for 2011 (the last figures I could find), was 17.5 per 100,000.)
To some extent, the high number of killings by the police isnโ€™t a โ€œpolice problem,โ€ but a symptom of Americaโ€™s larger violence problem. ALL American citizens have become too quick to use lethal force, to protect themselves.
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If you don't believe me walk down the streets of America's twenty most dangerous cities (all run by Democrats and all protected by the lying, corrupt, left-wing corporate media). The slaves of liberalism will gladly teach you about violence.
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Thom, you do realize that when you suggest that the morons actually DO SOMETHING (like walking down the SAFE SAFE streets of Detroit, Chicago, et alia) instead of spouting self-righteous hot air, that you are talking to the wind. They would be scared shi, oops, spitless to even think of getting within a hundred miles of those liberal havens.
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Reading comments by Republicans here, those supporting Fake President Trumps comments about the NFL player demonstrating with a quite dignified kneel the horrible state of Police brutality in USA, is breath taking.

So as others have noted:
Police in USA shoot more People DEAD in 1 Month than for example Police do in UK in 100 Years

And you Trump Republican, rather than being upset by this horrible fact, are instead upset by athlete who protested this by simply kneeling during anthem. Really!
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mmerlinn, I must confess that trolling these ingrates is like throwing lemon slices to the ducks, since they hate it but chase after it anyway (every single time).
The chances of a police officer being murdered is about the same as a black man being murdered and usually by the same source, young black men.
No wonder the police, like every legally armed citizen, are so quick to shoot. The risk of letting a possibly violent racist perp close is too high, if you want to go home to your family.
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2 ideas, these out of touch millionaires need to be spending their time and money in the ghetto, being their brother's keepers, instead of making kneeling fools of themselves on someone else's time, for a bogus cause.
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Thom,

I was wondering how long it would take for you to play the race card. When do you like to believe it or not, or whether it interrupts your right-wing comfort zone, an African-American male is far more likely to be shot by police than a white man. That is a cold, hard fact that you racist right-wingers refuse to acknowledge. Racism is alive and well in America!

You really need to get out of your state of denial about it, because one of these days you may be made aware of it in an ugly way
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"African-American male is far more likely to be shot by police than a white man"

Yup, CHERRY PICK YOUR DATA so you can pull the wool over unsuspecting eyes.

You should have stated, "The African-American male is far more likely to be shot BY ANOTHER AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE than by either the police or a white man."
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Another race card player heard from!
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You are the one that is playing the race card by NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.

There is NOTHING racist about what I wrote. It is the truth that ANYONE of ANY race can verify.
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Mmerlinn,

Keep telling yourself that long enough, and you might actually believe it. Or, watch Sean Hannity often enough and you may also believe it.
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I don't watch Hannity, so whatever liberal garbage he is spouting will never cause me to change.
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mmerlinn,

If you think Hannity is a liberal, I would hate to see where you would put Hitler on the political spectrum.
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Wheeler, all of your race cards seem to be jokers. You played them all through this little string, but only exposed yourself as the real bigot here.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449505/police-shootings-black-men-race-not-reason-causal-effect

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Wheeler, according to the New York Post -
In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers โ€” committed vastly and disproportionately by black males.

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Try this 2016 statistic on, for size. "Among all homicide suspects, whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243." New York Post.
You can't even make your racism work for you. Poor little bigot.
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Thom,

The New York Post is basically a tabloid for NYC. Why don't you give us a real credible source of information. Next, you're going to be quoting the National Enquirer.
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Wheeler, why do you indulge the idiot fringe with your support. You are well beyond the age where you should understand that these idealistic children Reporter, Punchie, Yes2freebies etc. are clueless about the world and how it really works. If they mature and still don't get it, as you have obviously failed to do, they will ruin the world they inherit.
They have lost all sense and proportion by tying themselves to the lies of the left as pushed by the corrupt, corporate,...
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...and criminal left-wing media. Instead of providing guidance and counsel it appears that you are egging them on. Shame on you.
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โ€œIf you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.โ€ โ€“ Malcolm X

The lying, corrupt, criminal, liberal corporate left-wing media hasn't changed one little (no pun intended) bit, since Malcolm's time.
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It is their right and a right I was ready to fight for, in the U.S. Navy.
So is your right to disagree.

Godwin's law if you disagree.
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Mangles, these athletes are not covered by the 1st Amendment, when on the field, but rather by the contracts with their employers.
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Moron, all these Athletes are doing is Kneel during the National Anthem. And they are doing this to bring attention to the horrible state of Police Brutality in the USA, given the FACT that: Police in USA shoot more People DEAD in 1 Month than for example Police do in UK in 100 Years

Here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-police-shot-more-people-dead-last-month-than-british-officers-did-in-95-years-a6769316.html

But of course you have being turned into some Sub-Human rather than
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commending these People who stood up for betterment of American People & Nation, you attack the Messenger and time of the Message, etc. non-sense rather than the REAL issue itself. Just as our Sociopath President Trump did.

All of which Upside Down World, all of which WRONGS in USA are possible due to the non-sense, Fear Mongering & Hate Mongering that pours out of Ultra right-wing Media, such as Fox and other instruments of Dark Wall Street Monsters.
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Punchhead, commending people for STEALING from their employers is REPREHENSIBLE and shows your true nature. If they want to protest, and they DO have a right to protest, then it should be on THEIR DIME, not their employer's dime.

I realize the you are not old enough to be in the workforce yet, but what do you think McDee's would do to you sif you bullied customers that you are supposed to SERVE? Yes, you would get FIRED, and so should ANYONE that STEALS from their employer.
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mmerlinn, how the FAWK Kneeling during the National Anthem is "commending people for STEALING from their employer"!!!

Go ahead and answer this and prove YET AGAIN what Lunatics you RepubliCONS have become because of the insane SH*T that pours out of the Ultra right-wing Media, aka Fox and the psychos on TalkRadio.
Or put another way you Fox FWKED brain Moron: how is Kneeling during the National Anthem = "bullied customers that you are supposed to SERVE" at the Wall Street crap hole called MCD!
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Bunchy, it is very simple. They are getting PAID TO PLAY, not paid to protest. When they are protesting WHILE GETTING PAID, they are THIEVES stealing from their employer as well as stealing TIME from the PAYING FANS.

They do have the right to protest, BUT NOT WHILE THEY ARE GETTING PAID TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

I realize, though, that YOU have no comprehension what theft means, so I hold NO hope that you can understand the big words I wrote.

The food stamps you are using are STOLEN from us.
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mmerlinn, PunchDrunk could never understand that he doesn't deserve welfare, which he would see as a basic right.
How on earth do you expect him to believe the concept of theft, as being wrong or bad?
Sometimes, I think you and I are giving these people too much credit, for basic intelligence.
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Punchman, these People can never answer for the insane crap that spews out of their Ass Holes (aka Mouths), since that crap is put into their brains by Fox and other Organs of right-wing Media. I mean how insane do you have to be to say:

"Kneeling during the National Anthem is commending people for STEALING from their employer"!!

When again these People Kneeling during the National Anthem were demonstrating against the horrible state of Police Killing of American People!
Amazing :(
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Hard to believe that Puffy is even out of diapers yet since the synapses in his brain cells are not wired up yet. Really a good Chicago example.

Theft is taking ANYTHING from ANYONE without the OWNER'S PRIOR permission. The numbnuts that are kneeling are doing so WHILE they are getting PAID, which is NOT what they are getting paid to do, so they are THIEVES, plain and simple.

If they want to kneel, and they DO have that right, they can do if OFF OF THE CLOCK! Anything else is THEFT.
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mmerlinn, it should be common knowledge that everyone should wipe their Kokopuff, whenever they take a Punchman.
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YES, They are disrespecting the American flag. Many Men and Women have given their lives for the American Flag that stands for freedom for our country! For them, to disrespect the American Flag is like them spitting in our face.AS far as I'm concerned if they cant stand for our country, They can leave our country!
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These racist instigators want to say and do whatever they please, without consequences and that is both wrong and unrealistic.

Robert A. Heinlein said it best:
โ€œThe United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes are mistaken for people of importance.โ€
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I believe that we all get hung up on actions and words that don't really have any real impact beyond a sizzling headline or news report on the television. To put it another way, I don't kneel during the national anthem. I also put my hand on my heart while it's being performed as well. I thank our Veterans for their service. Regardless of what some overpaid athlete or rich actor/actress says or does, it won't change the level of respect I have for this country and the people that live within it. This all becomes easier to accept and understand when you realize that you define your path and interactions with the world; they're not defined by others. A kneeling football athlete is proudly displaying his right as an American to demonstrate peacefully and I choose to ignore them. Would that athlete continue to kneel in protest if no one paid attention?
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You can really blame Fox and other orifices of right-wing Media about all that is WRONG with USA.
They really are the Enemy within, from them spinning the Police Killings of Americans into "why is the athlete Kneeling" to the mass KILLING of Americans in Vegas to "how wrong where the athletes for Kneeling against Police mass shooting of the American People", rather than that the insane Gun policies in USA that Republicans and right-wing Media support, are behind both of these issues. For a funny way of looking at these horrible facts check out:



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This would be funny if it was not so sadly true.
You know it is really amazing how just about any truth coming out of US Media, vs the Fake News aka right-wing lying Media, comes from the comedians, either this Daily show, or Colbert, or Seth Myers, etc. Really telling.
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Skinzoomer,

It also bothers me that some people make no distinction between the Daily Show and other real newscasts. Some people actually pull themselves into thinking they watch the news just because they tune into the Daily Show. In some ways I find this rather disturbing because it shows that many American people don't distinguish between entertainment and news.

Of course, that doesn't help that many networks now put their newscasts in the entertainment division of their stations.
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FOX and talk radio are the domain of the pro-constitutional, pro-American centrists.
Since the right is anti-institutional and, what we call, anarchists, they will never have TV shows or radio stations.
The far and semi-far left on the other hand control the message of Comedy Central, MSNBC, CNN and the rest of the corrupt corporate media that appears to be so popular among the minions.
Even you guys should be smart enough to know your right from your left.
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Thom,

To call Fox News centrist is totally misleading, but you already know that I suspect.

The corporate media, is just another capitalist enterprise that probably will never tell about anything. That includes MSNBC or CNN. Comedy Central is a comedic parody, not real news.
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Suspect what you want, Wheeler. Unlike you, I value, tell and stand by the truth.
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TOS, anyone with an IQ above a Cockroach, already knows that outlets like Fox, CNBC, Wall Street Journal, TalkRadio, etc. are utter complete wall to wall right-wing lying machines.

So to see what a right-wing lying Machine entire Wall Street based Media are, take the so called Liberal Media of MSNBC, by consider the fact that: MSNBC has not told the American People that all Conservative parties, repeat the Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Australia, including Israel
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the beloved Nation of TEAPublicans Obama Democrats and right-wing Media, etc. are all 100% for their Government run Universal Socialized Health Care (NHS).

And moreover tell American People WHY they are all 100% for their NHS.

Because if MSNBC did that, then that would be instant proof of:
What utter complete lunatics TEAPublicans are for opposing NHS and What FRAUD Obama Democrats are for not even proposing NHS
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And why is it that all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Israel, Australia, Japan, etc. 100% for their NHS?

Because NHS gives health care to all the People of their Country, FREE for the Taxes that they Pay, while cut, repeat cut, health care spending by 50%.

So based on this FACT alone, one can have Irrefutable proof of what a right-wing Lying Machinery entire Wall Street Media/Cabal, from ABC to CNN to MSNBC and lets not even talk about Fox, etc. are.
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ThinkDeep,

There is absolutely no reason why people in the United States should not have as good, if not better, access to good quality healthcare. The primary reason we don't have it here in the United States is because the healthcare "industry" and big Pharma want to continue controlling everything related to healthcare in this country. The only thing they really care about, like most corporations, is making a profit no matter at what cost.

The mainstream media never has represented the mass
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TD, you share the same opinions as everyone, who doesn't have "an IQ above a Cockroach".
If you minions were any dumber you would back a single-payer health service, Hillary Clinton and gun control.
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Thom,

Just because you may articulate the same point over and over again, doesn't make it true. Your "controllers" that the GOP may have programmed you to think that if you tell the same old tired bullshit numerous times, it magically becomes true.

It's too bad you can't break free from your "program" for a few minutes, and have an original thought for a change. It's too bad that your way of thinking is indicative of your drinking too much of the conservative Kool-Aid.
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Ignorant little robots, like you accusing others of being programmed is laughable. Is that the Kool-Aid your group swills out of their tin foiled hats, in your Mommy's basement?
Even your ignorance is clichรฉd. Why not join a group where you might make a real difference. There are UFO and Sasquatch groups all over the internet. With the myths that your group believes in, I am sure those two subjects would be right up your, rather dimly-lit, alley.
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Thom,

You use every "troll -like" response like "mommy's basement" or" tinfoil hats", and you actually wonder why people think you are a troll? You use the same language as every other troll I've ever seen, So don't be surprised when I call you on it, TROLL.

This is my last response to this troll. Remember people, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
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Wheeler, read the posts that your group of trolls from RealNewsTrolls puts out. You folks don't have a visible learning curve, yet you object when your intellectual betters attempt to speak your language. Tsk, tsk!
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As an astonishing example of the Upside Down World that the right-wing lying Media has created in USA, listen to this guy Rush Limbaugh and Hannety, interview one another, as to what the real meaning of the athletes not standing for national anthem are! They completely do not deal with the issue behind these athletes demonstrating, which is the horrendous state of Police brutality, shootings, in USA, as per FACT that: "Police in USA shoot more People dead in 1 Month that Police in UK shoot Brits dead in 95 Years"
Instead they run this continuous SCAM on US, that this is about the "Leftist Media..." rubbish. And they do this on issue after issue, that is SPIN it from real facts into a psychotic hate-filled World, resulting in People who watch them being utter complete hateful lunatics by now. And keep in mind that these right-wing lying Machines, are backed by 100s of Billions of Wall Street Money.
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TD, thanks for sharing this Video man. It really is a prime example of the total Mind FAWK Job that the right-wing Media, via Wall Street dark Money, been playing on American People and astonishingly they are still doing in the Internet age where we can expose their lies via such sites as this anoox. To be exact, notice that in this Video, these FAWKs state that:
"Leftist Media wants to make America Progressive"
Progressive is GOOD! Because the alt to that is:
Stagnant or Regressive.
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So only the True Enemy of a Nation would be against being "Progressive", which has been and is a KEY part of the right-wing lying Media effort on making American People Dumb and well not Progressive, which means "Stagnant or Regressive".

And these bastards are on the air spewing this mis-information and non-sense from 100s of different Media sources, from TV to Radio to the Web sites such as Brietbart that is backed by the darkest of True EVIL Wall Street Money called Mercers.
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In case, here are some examples of the TRUE Info War that these Wall Street Billionaire EVIL are playing on US:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage

http://www.businessinsider.com/bannon-mercer-meeting-2017-8

https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/jane-mayer-robert-mercer

So yes My good friend, some Truly EVIL People such as these Mercers, but there are many more of them, waging (Info) War on US.
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Reporter, absolutely True my friend. And what you need to realize, what People need to realize, the same Wall Street DARK Money that is behind these psychotic lying Machines of Rush Limbaugh, Hannety, Brietbart, Fox, etc., is also behind Google, etc. And I prove it to you. Go to Google and search for:
"mainstream media is"
You will not find articles proving that "mainstream media is" is right-wing lying Media as proven by: realnewspost.org
but you find at the top are articles by Brietbart and other
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right-wing Media sources, selling the Super SCAM that Mainstream Media has a Left-Wing Bias. Go ahead Google it, and feast your Eyes on how Google feeds people the right-wing Media bias and lies, resulting in lying buffoons such as Rush Limbaugh, Hannety having National Air times backed by Multi Billion Dollars organizations.
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ThinkDeep,

Most major corporations, like Google, or any other large corporations that operates a search engine tends to rank right-wing websites and news sources above more progressive media.

The reason for that is quite simple, it's economics. Most progressive/liberal media outlets simply do not have as much money to spend on SEO (search engine optimization) as more powerful conservative publications.

Progressive/liberal media outlets have always had less money than right-wing media outlets.
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Wheeler, you could give Google that pass. Or you could also conclude that because the right-wing Media such as Fox, CNBC, Rush, Breitbart, etc. are funded by the same Wall Street Billionaire Cabal that are behind Google, FB, Hollywood, etc., such as GoldMan Sachs, that Google is loading search for "Main Stream Media is" with the lies that it is "Leftist Liberal Media", where of course we have Mountain of FACTS that Main Stream Media is the right-wing lying Media. After all, if Main Stream Media
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was Liberal Media, was anything but right-wing lying Media, aka Fake News, then:

1- USA would not be engaged in War after War, as our Northern Neighbor Canada is not

2- USA would have Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), something so essential for well being of a Nation that all Developed Nations have it, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Democrats & the right-wing Media

3- USA would not be giving $200-Billion in FREE Military to Richer Europe

etc.
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TD, exactly. The fact of the matter is that We the American People are under attack, really under occupation, by a True Enemy within, and their Key weapon against US is their control of the Media being a right-wing lying Media, aka Fake News, the ultimate example of which is Fox news that spews all that EVIL and WRONG upon US. And the shooting of 600 Americans in Vegas is another reminder of this, which shooting Fox is saying "lets not politicize", while they
politicize a shooting by a Muslim.
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smallBizOwner_123,

It's a well-known fact that Fox News is a right-wing controlled propaganda machine, that is not to be believed nor taken seriously by anyone with any sense.
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Wheeler61, this fact is well known to many People, the thinking people such as us, but the fact is, the SAD SAD fact is, that many Millions of Americans, specially older ones, get their so called News, aka right-wing Media lies aka Fake News aka Upside DOWN of reality, from Fox. And many Wall Street based establishments, from top Hotels to Gyms etc. play Fox as their main so called News channels on 24/7 basis at their lobby, etc.
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Skinzoomer,

I totally understand what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. Fox News is shoved down our throats at every level. I have also noticed that Fox News is the default TV station for many waiting rooms, and lobbies.
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Reporter, you shock me! You have been schooled on every single fallacious argument that you have ever made here.
If, what you say about the Republicans dumbing down the population, they would have made you their poster boy/girl/it (choose one), by now.
No one here knows so many falsehoods about American, society, politics or history or slavishly believes them so much. Now you insist that progressivism is a good thing for America. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber...WOW!
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Thom,

More sanctimonious bullshit from a holier than thou right winger! People like you, who run around with their noses in the air, are lucky that they don't trip because they never look at the ground and see the real world.
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I realize Wheeler, that your feelings of inferiority to many in this string must hurt your little ego, but backing the anti-American cause makes you look moronic, not heroic. Somebody had to tell you. Once you move out of Mommy's basement, find a job and find your own place in the world you will feel better about yourself. You will then feel no need to lash out against the truth and those who tell it.
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Thom,

You call me it adequate yet you insist on continuing this verbal penis waving contest and continuing to be sanctimonious and self-righteous while doing so. You are an idiot, plain and simple.
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An "idiot" that looks down, at the likes of you, as beneath labels. When I use the words stupid or ignorant to describe you and the other minions, take it as a compliment. Others might be considered "off the chart" intellectually, you folks never made it TO the chart.
You react poorly to the constant schooling that you get here, so let me give you this advice: crawl back into the protection of http://realnewspost.org/ and seal off the entrance behind you. Let this stupidity die where it started.
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Thom,

This is my last month to a condescending, holier than thou, conservative troll. Remember people, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
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"Men don't kneel down to win a battle. Men kneel down to show submission. Men kneel down to get their heads chopped off. Men kneel down so that other men can stomp them into the dirt. Men kneel down to give each other head. Real men stand and fight. Real men stand up to their opponents. Real men won't take a knee for any other man and call it a protest. Real men love their country." (****)
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"Men kneel down to give each other head" WOW! Is there any limit to you Republican lunatic talk!

Men kneel down to propose to a Woman to marry them.
Men kneel down to talk to their Children.

So Men kneeling down is not the issue. The issue is WHY did that NFL Player kneel down? Which was to protest Police brutality in USA, which is absolutely the case, given the fact that Police in USA shoot more People dead in 1 Month that Police in UK shoot Brits dead in 95 Years!!!
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Since obviously you are watching the Ultra Right-wing lying machines of Wall Street from Fox to Rush Limbaugh, etc., rat holes to not know these facts, here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-police-shot-more-people-dead-last-month-than-british-officers-did-in-95-years-a6769316.html
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LOL, the LIAR is back again. I have NEVER watched Rushy. Obviously you DO watch him, but of course your cannot understand whatever he is saying. And is it IMPOSSIBLE for me to watch Fox or any other media outlet that you own. That ALONE shows how out of touch you are.
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Well Fox and other organs of the Ultra right-wing Media, have been running segment after segment in support of Trump for saying that: "Kneeling down during the anthem is an insult etc...", which is exactly what you have repeated in your answer. So to say that you do not watch Fox or listen to the psychos on Talkradio such as Rush, yet you have parroted their non-stop non-sense in your answer above, is the real tell about where you get your info from.
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Moreover, as Reporter has noted, the real issue is not these athletes kneeling during the anthem, which is a most polite, respectful and benign way that you could demonstrate a point. But the real point is why they were kneeling, what was the point they were making, which is we have a very bad case of Police brutality and using deadly force in USA, which fact is absolutely made as per the figures that "Police in USA shoot more People dead in 1 Month that Police in UK do in 95 Years".
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BP, exactly. issue is "not these athletes kneeling during the anthem", which really is most polite way to demonstrate a point. The real issues are:

1- What they are protesting? Which is Police using excessive deadly force in USA. As per the NUMBERS provided.
2- How Trump and right-wing nuts are using "kneeling during the anthem" to distract from real issue. In particular that we have Police using excessive deadly force in USA because of insane Guns laws that we have in USA supported by GOP
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And that we have many many other horrible problems in USA, compared to other developed Nations such as UK, such as "Police in USA shoot more People dead in 1 Month that Police in UK do in 95 Years", such as:
1- State of Healthcare in USA which is WORSE among all Developed Nations while we spend 50% MORE on Healthcare
2- Our Cities flooding like 3rd World countries, since Republi-Cons and Demo-RATS have not invested our Money in our People and Cities and instead wasted it on War after War
etc.
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Reporter,

I would agree with your statement about Democrats and Republicans wasting money on warfare, when they should be spending it on doing something good for people in this country like providing healthcare, providing housing, eliminating the criminals on Wall Street who are the "shadow government" of this entire country, and feeding the numerous people in this country who are suffering from malnutrition.
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Reporter,

They are protesting the fact that racism is alive and well in the police forces of the United States. Whether you choose to believe it or not, racial profiling actually does exist in this country. I've seen it myself on a number of occasions.
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Wheelie, you are ABSOLUTELY correct that racial profiling exists in this country. For one example, take a look at college race quotas which is GOVERNMENT MANDATED racial profiling.
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Mmerlinn,

You are making the same mistake as most other right-wingers when classifying affirmative action as a quota system. It absolutely is not any such thing.

Affirmative action policies were originally put into place to level the playing field for people of color, which have always been discriminated against when accepting applications to higher education or jobs.

If discrimination did not exist, affirmative action would not be even necessary. But it does exist, so it is necessary.
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Affirmative actions are possible ONLY when discrimination (in this case racial profiling) exists.

I have no intention of debating whether affirmative action is right or wrong, only that affirmative action (when applied to race) is proof that racial profiling still exists.
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mmerlinn,

You act as though affirmative action is entirely based on race, and no other factors. In most cases, affirmative action can also, and often is, based on gender, sexual preference, and disability.

As a person with a disability, I have benefited from affirmative action programs because people with disabilities are very often discriminated against. I know from my own experiences.
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Wheelie, for someone who claims to have a degree in English you sure do not know how to read nor how to understand what you read. Go back and re-read my reply AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN, until you UNDERSTAND what I wrote.
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I was just listening to Trump talking on this issue with prime minister of Spain in attendance, and he said:
"Many Americans have died for this Country and the flag, so for some athletes to kneel during the anthem is un-American and must be punished, etc."
And this is how most of the Main Stream media, aka right-wing Media, have spun this story. When the issue is NOT the Athlete not standing for national anthem, but that he was protesting Police brutality in USA, which is a fact. Given the fact that more Americans are shot dead in typical Month by Police in USA than are shot every 100 Years by Police in UK, as other developed Nations. So if Trump was actually a President of American People, he would be working to correct this horrible wrong, but he actually champions this Wrong as with all other wrongs in USA.
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In case, you have been brain washed by Main Stream (Wall Street) media, aka right-wing Media, not to know these facts, here:

US police have already killed more than 100 people this year
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-police-killings-2017-total-deaths-caused-officers-sandra-bland-trayvon-martin-a7568056.html

US police kill more in days than other countries do in years
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
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Well said my friend. Trump plays the card that he is a real Pro-American Patriot, but based on facts you have listed, of course he and his insane followers are the real Satanic Anti-Americans.
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In case you have been brainwashed by the corrupt, corporate fascist left-wing media, you might tend to think that Chicago or Baltimore police should disarm themselves.
Comparing a country (England), where conservatism and tradition have the police AND criminals, both living according to a code, with the lawless, corrupt and morally depraved thugs, in Democrat-controlled U.S. ghettoes is stupid. Brutality trickles up. The killings, by police, are generally ALWAYS, because they faced a deadly...
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...fast moving threat and had to use deadly force.
If you want police killings to end, close down the ghettoes, keep kids in school, keep the able-bodied out of the welfare system, punish all crimes, stop teen pregnancy and end the political (D)eath grip on minorities.
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TOS, thank you for proving YET again what lunatics you Republicans in USA have become thanks to the Main Stream (Wall Street) media, aka right-wing Media. That is you actually said:

"Comparing a country (England), where conservatism"

in UK they have strict Gun Laws, which is supported by Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK. As well as they have Government run Universal Socialized Single Payer Healthcare (NHS) which again is supported by the Conservative party in UK. Both of which
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Republicans in US oppose, calling them "Socialism" or "Communism". So either Margaret Thatchers Conservative party in UK is "Socialists or Communists" or you Republicans in US are complete lunatics or WORSE.

And of course UK having strict Gun Laws, Socialized Healthcare, etc. sensible policies are why their rate of Police Shooting of their People is 0.001% of that of USA, which shooting of American People by Police, Trump supports, proving what Anti-American him and you Republicans are.
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TD, thanks once again, for proving how hateful you are, of the police and a complete racist Democrat for thinking that minorities should be sentenced, to life in the ghetto, away from your pretty homes and gated enclaves.
Is your clone idea of an inadequate single-payer health scheme, run by uncaring bureaucrats, set up to help kill of minorities? You and hyper-racist Hillary were made for each other.
D.C. and Chicago have strict gun laws. How's that working out for you?
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So you think advocating for Police in USA not KILLING Americans at 100,000% higher rates than UK, is being indication of "hateful you are"!
Is that how bat crazy you Republicans have become in USA thanks to real hateful garbage that pours out of Main Stream (Wall Street) media, aka right-wing Media?

And once again: Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) is something that 100% of all Developed Nations 100% support, including Israel the BELOVED Nation of Trump/Clinton
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The totally corrupt Wall Street owned, Nazi left-wing media has turned you into a racist anti-minority thug, since you want to keep the ghetto crime factories in place creating hate, poverty and violence.
You weren't just voting FOR Hillary, you were also voting against equality of opportunity, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all.
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Ministertriage,

Back to your original question, this issue about pro football players refusing to stand up for the national anthem, has become a very divisive issue. Witness the comments on this topic.

To add my two cents, as long as we have ghettos, racism, and poverty of all types, these types of issues will continue to be divisive with everybody taking pot shots at everyone else.

As long as racism that poverty exists in the United States, we are always going problems.
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TOS, so you think because TD is for cutting down the Police shooting of the Americans by 99%, because he is for giving all Americans Healthcare for Taxes we pay by having Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), something that 100% of all Developed Nations have, including Israel the BELOVED Nation of Trump/Clinton; THEN that makes him or people like him such as myself, makes us: "Nazi left-wing"
WOW! Thank you for proving again and again, what raving lunatics you Republicans are.
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"[A]s long as we have ghettos, racism, and poverty of all types, these types of issues will continue to be divisive..."
"As long as racism that poverty exists in the United States, we are always going problems."
Wheeler, I agree with your two statements, but why not deal directly with the cause. These problems are the direct results of the Democrat Party's policies toward controlling black people. Vote every Democrat out of office and their modern equivalent, of chattel slavery, will end.
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Even though the Democrats at one time were a party that endorsed segregation and the white man's control of the South, now they are a far different party. However, that is not to say that they are the better party.

The problem with the Democrats is that they want to be everything to everyone. That is to say, but they want to play on both sides of the fence. That doesn't work! They want to be the party on both the working-class and the ruling class. They need to pick a side and stick with it.
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Wheeler, this Moron TOS as his only so called argument, goes back to Democrats having been pro-slavery as per Republicans and Lincoln being none. Rather than dealing with today's issues, in which today's issues, there is little real difference between Republi-CONS and Demo-RATS, from the state of Healthcare in USA where all developed Nations have Universal Socialized Health, to number of People shot by police in USA being 100,000% higher than other developed Nations, etc.
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Here:
US police have already killed more than 100 people this year
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-police-killings-2017-total-deaths-caused-officers-sandra-bland-trayvon-martin-a7568056.html


So getting back to this question: for Trump and right-wing Media picking on the NFL Player for kneeling during the Anthem rather than on WHY he was kneeling, which is INSANE state of Murder by Police/Guns, is more example of what Sociopath Trump/Republi-CONS are.
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ThinkDeep,

I agree with you, although I hate to paint all Republicans with the same brush as you might used to paint Donald Trump. There are some Republicans who are not, what you would describe as sociopaths.

Even though I am a liberal/radical, I will concede that there are Republicans that I actually get along with and are perfectly reasonable people. Please don't judge all Republicans by "the Donald". There actually are moderate, reasonable Republicans. I wish they would step forward.
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Have you two simpletons misunderstood everything about the U.S.? Right up to this election, with 25,000,000 improperly registered voters going for Hillary, who it seems didn't even win the popular vote, the Democrats remain mired in corruption.
Their history is bad, their present is bad and their future is likely unsalvagable.
Wheeler said "Even though I am a liberal/radical" which is an aberrant position, bordering on criminal. YOU are part of the problem, not the solution. (cont.)
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You are indeed the "enemy within". Yesterday someone, no different than you, killed 58 innocent people and wounded 500 others.
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Thom,

Fuck you!

You are nothing more than just another right-wing troll! DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
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Wheeler, it is people like you, who push to weaken our laws, impede police, defend the thugs, indoctrinate our children, hobble business, create ghettoes, kill our babies, deny real science, elect the (D)espicable and kill innocent concert-goers.
If you want a different type of government, move to where it exists. Don't attack America, democracy or Americas, just move away; you don't belong here.
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Thomat the Pyscho, "Yesterday someone ... killed 58 innocent people in Vegas..." thanks to the Republican lunatics such as you, Since we Liberals are for Strict Gun Laws, which BTW Margaret Thatchers conservative party in UK 100% supports, as a result of which strict Gun laws UK has 0.001% of Gun Deaths as in USA and has had almost ZERO mass shootings in 20 Years, compared to Dozens per Year in USA with insane Gun laws that Republicans Trump and NRA supports.
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Stinky, look at what strict gun laws (enacted by a SOCIALIST like you) did to Germany in the 1930s. Something like 50 million people died as a result.

Whether you want to believe it or not, once you take guns from Americans, there would be NOTHING to prevent HUNDREDS of millions of Americans from being slaughtered by invaders BRINGING THEIR GUNS WITH THEM.

I realize that you WANT Americans slaughtered as your posts so eloquently say. What will YOU do when they come for YOU?
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TD, I thought you had decided to limit yourself, to things you actually knew about. I guess you rightly figured that would leave you with nothing to do.
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Thom,

It sounds as though you are describing yourself. You behave like a total fascist, then get angry when somebody calls you out on your bullshit. Typical conservative asshole!
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Wheeler, I don't get angry at you children. I find it disappointing that you have convinced yourselves that you actually know what you are talking about.
You belong to a group of morons, who share the same lies and cut-and-paste them everywhere they can. Repetition doesn't make you right, it actually just makes you look gullible.
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Thom,

If this is the case, why do you keep repeating the same old tired bullshit?
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Wheeler, these People are such as TOS have been so brain washed by the right-wing lying Media, such as Fox and even worse than Fox which are the pyschos on TalkRadio and 100s of alt-right Web Sites, all of which are backed by 100s of Millions of Dollars, Billions of Dollars, by Wall Street Cabal, that they really have lost all grasp on reality. Therefor no matter how much facts you give to these Republican lunatics, made lunatics by right-wing Wall Street Media, they return with a rant at best.
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ThinkDeep,

I agree with you 100%. These right-wingers are so brainwashed that they are incapable of thinking for themselves or coming up with a fresh idea. They are programmed like a bunch of cyborgs. That's one reason I asked if Thom was a bot, or a real person in another post I made.

For some reason, these people seem to think that if you tell the same lie over and over again, it somehow becomes true.
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Actually, Wheeler, look through my posts, here and elsewhere and you will find a wealth of knowledge from me, gained through education, experience and observation. I have also included many links, to studies done by others and personal accounts of people involved.
Your contributions amount to quoting and agreement with TD and others, who possibly know even less than you do. Cut and paste repetition doesn't turn an opinion into a fact.
If you want lies and robots go to: RealDumbBlog.org.
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I may not have given you the proper URL for that opinion blog, but after seeing the idiotic statements there posted by many on this and other Anoox strings, I was laughing so hard I dropped my mouse, breaking it. This caused me to not make note of it. I was going to send it around to several friends, who don't think people that stupid can use computers.
Just look for Reporter, ThinkDeep etc., they seem to be running the site, which is pure drivel, repeated by every idiot, in attendance there.
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Thom,

Maybe if you stop blowing your own horn for a few minutes, you wouldn't have dropped your mouse. Oh well! I'm sure you have another one stowed someplace else in your trailer.

I'm very glad that Reporter, ThinkDeep, and others are here to help me combat the right-wing ignorance and propaganda that you spew forth with.
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Wheeler, you "Reporter, ThinkDeep, and others" personify ignorance. You have been on the wrong and ultimately losing side of every issue here.
You losers take up every knee-jerk cause, outlined by the corrupt, facist and racist left-wing corporate media and their liberal government allies. You portray yourselves as free thinkers, or even just thinkers, while remaining the victims of the left's propagandists. I have only tried to free you from mental slavery and get attacked for my efforts.
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Thom,

I suppose you think you are a freethinker? In reality, something which you probably know nothing about, you are just another right-wing robot parroting the same old conservative party line. This party line you cling to is just more lies and deception put forth by the conservative Right.

Also, by implying that Reporter, ThinkDeep, and the rest of us are just wallowing in ignorance is just more typical condescension; something the right excels in.
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Wheeler, I think much more of your inbred little group than you realize. They are certainly above "just wallowing in ignorance" they actually create and promote ignorance.
When they are directly questioned, they never answer, they insult the questioner. When presented with facts or new information, they insult the presenter.
As an example, the British NHS is failing and heavily in debt, while consuming an ever-increasing portion of the national revenue. (cont.)
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The British NHS has few redeeming factors, with staff shortages, equipment shortages, available beds, training, wait times, mortality rates and other factors which are ALL substandard to the U.S. system.
This is not only what is said here, buy in every major British newspaper and by the British Medical Association. Worse yet no one has found any good options to save it.
You cannot solve the problem of a falling birthrate and an aging society, by raising taxes. The numbers are against them...
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...but your merry little band of math challenged minions keep on pushing for an NHS here, where it faces the same issues. IT CAN'T WORK.
You all seem to live on an opinion site, where you say the same things so often that you infest each other intellectually and dull each other's ability to reason.
Let me give you some advice: leave the minion group, think for yourself and verify everything before you decide to give an opinion or take a stand. Half facts and mindless repetition only ...
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...make the minions look more stupid, if that is possible.
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Thom,

You say facts and figures. I say more right-wing propaganda and lies. I really beginning to think that you are nothing more than a right-wing troll, said here for no other purpose than to create dissension and spread lies.
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I am sorry Wheeler, I mistook you for someone, with the ability to reason. My bad!
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I agree with those who say that Trump has thrown this new rant and insult, this time against someone who is protesting against the horrendous state of Police brutality that we have in this Country, just to distract from all the horrible problems of USA, all of which problems Trump/Clinton/Obama and their Wall Street Billionaire pals are behind. From the state of Healthcare in this Country being a catastrophe for 10s of Millions of Americans, so that Big Pharma & Big insurance (arms of Wall Street) can make extra 1 Trillion more from Healthcare, damn be how many Americans they Kill or bankrupt per Year, to our Cities flooding like poor 3rd World countries such as 3-Million in Puerto Rico without power, etc.
And to these distraction you can add his threats against North Korea, because NK has Nukes. After all China & Russia have 100 times more Nukes than NK. And China and Russia border NK and they have no problem with NK, yet Trump (USA) are 10,000 Miles from NK but are so scared of NK that they are threatening Nuclear War on NK. How long are American People going to fall for these SCAMS on US?
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Very well said pal. very well said. This is just another distraction by this bum (aka Trump). But as bad as Trump's calling that NFL player for kneeling during the anthem to be a "Son of a Bitch" is that he actually said that:
"NFL attendance and viewership is down, because People are watching me" WOW. And to think that most of NFL owners supported Trump. That should be a lesson to them supporting a bum. OTN, Washington RedSkin owners who supported Trump called him basically "a total AHole".
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Here are some examples of even NFL Teams and players, calling Trump to be an idiot or worse for this new rant:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/sports/nfl-trump-anthem-protests.html?mcubz=1
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Thank you. If we do some thorough searching can we say we may have a part in some of this? Yes or no? I'm looking for well thought out answers, no blaming others, but part have we played as individuals?
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WT, you have nailed it my friend. That is this rant by Trump against this NFL player is indeed: "just to distract from all the horrible problems of USA"
Just one more such distraction. The other example being the War Mongering against North Korea, and as you noted which NK borders, repeat borders, China and Russia, which countries have 100 times more Nukes than NK, but they have no problems with NK, however I just heard on MSNBC and Fox, hold your breath:
"Is War with NK inevitable" LOL :)
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WT & Reporter, although it is true that this new rant by Trump is just another attempt to distract from all that is so WRONG with USA, the more important fact to consider is why Trump and Main Stream (Wall Street) media, aka right-wing Media, are focusing on the fact the Black Athlete that did not not stand for the national anthem, rather than on focusing on WHY he did not? Which was and is because he is a real Patriot whom wanted to right a real WRONG in USA. So should be commended for it.
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Once again WT (and clones) you have shown how racist you have become, that you won't disarm the hoodrats, but continue to blame the police for defending themselves and you.
You keep blaming the U.S. for finding the right path and ensuring that Americans receive the world's best healthcare. It appears that you want to kill off the minorities who would be driven to any NHS.
You are allowing your hateful racism to consume you.
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Voting FOR Trump was an overt act of love for the U.S., where equality of opportunity, freedom of thought, a fair vote, intellectual diversity and an end to political corruption is NOW a real possibility, unavailable in an 0bama/Clinton Amerika.
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ThomatOurStore,

Voting for Trump was an act of desperation done by working-class Americans who are so disenchanted that disillusion with his countries lack of response to them and their needs that they resorted to voting for a fascist.

What is happening in this country right now is quite similar to what happened in Germany before Hitler came to power. Desperate people do desperate things. Throw in a little racism and you have a very lethal mix.
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Dear Ministertriage:
Your question is an important subject never taugh in churchs. Should we as followers of Yeshua, the Messiah of Israel, get into politics, because he never once did? Yes there is injustice in the United States, more than ever toward minorities like African-Americans, but that injustice does not come only from policemen, it comes also from people in churchs, whose hate do not let them behave like followers of Christ. Even some church goers hate jews, eventhou Yeshua was a jew and behave like a jew all his life.
Everyone as American have the right to disagree and express in a respectfull manner his or her disagremment. The National Anthem is not a respectful manner to do so. I do not judge those African Americans who express their resentment against a society that forgets about them, but there are better ways to do it, and when they do they will probably will have the attetion and respect of everyone.
My humble opinion. Blessings to all.
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Thank you for your comment. Yes there are others ways to do things without strife and contention attached to it. Once the true Christ is illuminated in our hearts we will be able to see the world through the eyes of Agape love
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In Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
In Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
These are political statements, made by Jesus.
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ThomatOurStore,

More Bible thumping! How can you prove that Jesus actually existed, let alone the Messiah?

In other words, these are political statements made by a person who may or may not have existed.
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I agree 100% what these NFL players are doing to protest injustice in the United States, particularly the injustice that is committed against African-Americans by the police. Protesting this injustice by taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem is not only effective but appropriate.

Standing up for the national anthem has become another almost robotic function in our society, much like the "high five". It has become absolutely meaningless, but people still do it anyway without even thinking about its significance or meaning.

If someone feels allegiance to the United States, which I personally do, one should not have to show it or prove it by standing up for the playing of a piece of music, which in this case is an old British drinking song, once done in pubs. Patriotism is something that a person feels differently inside themselves, or not at all. No gesture, like standing for the national anthem, can prove that. This latest controversy is just manufactured BS.
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Thank you for your comment. I think they were going after the president and not the national anthem beciase if my memory serves me right, the protesting had stopped in the NFL and everyone had gone back to business as usual. This just stirred up the nest. As Christians we play a vital role in politics because our prayers and expression of Christ's love can change the course of this country
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ministertriage,

I agree that these protests were aimed more at Pres. Trump and his unjust policies that they were at the national anthem.

You speak as though you assume that everyone is a Christian; something that I think you know is not true. For one, I am an agnostic.

You do not have to be a Christian to know that what is happening in this country is wrong. One just needs a set of ethics and values to understand that the POTUS is wrong, a criminal, and should be removed from office ASAP.
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I apologize. I do not believe all are Christians I intended that for YosefMarques concerning politics and Christianity.
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President Trump is hated BECAUSE he is attempting to restore justice, in a land devastated by corrupt leadership and the opposing liberal/progressive party of hate.
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There is no possible way that Donald Trump is trying to "restore justice". That statement is unbelievable, not to mention untruthful.

It seems to me that the Republican Party is the party of hate. After all, they are the ones who are trying to take healthcare away from millions of citizens. What is more hateful than that?

For eight years of Pres. Obama, the GOP did nothing other than to obstruct any type of progress that he tried to make, including bringing jobs back.
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0bamacare isn't health care. 0bamacare is an insurance scheme, meant to override the state's legal control of the insurance industry and allow the Democrats to pillage Medicare funds, just like they did Social Security.
Wheeler, you really need to catch up.
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You are right! ThomatOurStore
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ThomatOurStore, DEN14,

Even though I will freely admit that The Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obama care) isn't perfect, it is better that the situation not existed before you came along; 40 million uninsured Americans with no health care.

Would you both of you get this idea that states have control over their healthcare? If they did, there would be no need for The Affordable Care Act. They were not providing healthcare for their citizens.

Medicare For All by Bernie Sanders will be better. TRUE
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Before 0bamacare (an insurance brokerage scheme), no one was dying because of the refusal of service. Many hospitals are federally reimbursed, for treating the needy and many do so as part of their charitable missions. So, despite what the corrupt left-wing media said, people without health insurance, felt no negative effect.
From the very beginning, 0bamacare was an attempt, by the Democrats to breaking into the Medicare fund and to wrest the insurance industry from state control. Nothing...
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The whole act of starting the ACA in the Senate, by emptying and previously passed bill from the House then using Congress' Christmas break to vote on it, when no Republicans were present is as low as you can get.
The Senate assembled 60 votes against further debate at 1:00 am on Monday and sent it to the House for a final vote on Tuesday morning all while the opposition was home for Christmas.
BTW, by design the states oversee insurance and the fed is in charge of financial instruments.
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ThomatOurStore is right about this. This is a do nothing Congress and the voters should take note of this!
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Wheeler, you might want to check out the original H. R. 3590, which was to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.
This is the bill that became 0bamacare. Since the Congressional record showed that it came from the House (as ALL financial bills must) Harry Reid subverted it to make it into the ACA. 0bama signed it as soon as Pelosi got it passed.
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ThomatOurStore,

I will check it out but I have my doubts about what you say. Besides that, lots of bills are amended to the point that you can barely recognize them from their original form. This is not an uncommon practice, that a bill start out as one thing and by the time it goes through a few committees, it has been greatly changed.

In fact, very few bills make it through committees and retain their original content or form.
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Doubt all you want. This bill was a slam dunk proposed by Charlie Rangel, which passed easily because it was to help the troops buy homes. It was then completely gutted and new text made it the ACA, pre-passed, by the House. This bill was never intended to be anything but the ACA, which would not have passed any other way. Screw the troops and pass a fraudulent bill, in one fell swoop, the Democrat way.
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ThomatOurStore,

You make it sound as though the Democrats were the only party to ever play these types of games. The Republicans it also. After all, aren't they usually the ones that try to pass legislation in the middle of the night, or without allowing the other party to have a chance to read a piece of legislation, like they tried doing it one of the numerous attempts to overturn the Affordable Care Act?
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Wheeler, please cite any such acts by the Republicans. Please also let us know when they transformed an already passed funding bill into a completely different one, to avoid having it come up for a vote in the House.
Republicans may be justifiably accused of greed, but it is the Democrats who are corrupt.
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A truly objective, unbiased research of history & current politics in USA will reveal that corruption, greed, & incompetence exists & is displayed equally by BOTH Dem & Rep. Saying one is better (or worse) than the other COLLECTIVELY is naive. The reason little gets done in Washington is because too few politicians actually care for their voters. They are financially obligated to various lobbies, pacts, & wealthy corporate interests. That is the 'swamp' that needs draining. Like Trump or not -
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ONLY an outsider (non-career politician) can cut through the 'good-ole-boys' club to enact REAL reform. Sadly, the corruption is so deep & has existed for so long, it is likely impossible to expect REAL change without EVERY American voter realizing that the issues being propagated by ALL our professional politicians are merely smoke-screens to keep the REAL need for reform buried. The greatest lie the devil ever perpetrated is that he doesn't exist. ALL evil hides behind similar deception.
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MJ, I was not speaking exclusively of the political class, which is as you describe it. Republicans are generally the small business owners, with a healthy respect for the law and civil authorities. They have been generally thought of as wanting to keep what they make and generally pay as little in taxation as possible, earning them the label greedy.
Democrats, on the other hand, are mostly employees, in private industry, or live off a government income. These are much more prone to...
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...corruption, since there is seldom any feeling of obligation to their boss' business.
There are very few Republicans in areas where corruption occurs. Organized crime, which votes Democrat, often owns a stable of Democrat judges. Many immigrants bring their homeland's corrupt ways with them and back the Democrats.
Republicans have long held that family values, patriotism, law and order should be the backbone of American society. That is hardly a fertile ground for corruption.
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ThomatOurStore,

It has happened quite a few times, and you know it. What do you expect me to do? List about 10 different URLs just because you haven't taken the time to read news?
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ThomatOurStore,

This thread has not so far off from the original topic, it isn't even funny. Go ahead and rant away, because I refuse to waste anymore time dealing with you.
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Nice way to say you can't deny, with facts, what I have said, Wheeler.
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ThomatOurStore - I appreciate your response, I too was merely generalizing & see we share many values. I was once a Dem, blue-collar worker. My union swayed my vote, calling dissenters traitors to the working class. In my late 20's I was promoted to management where I soon discovered the covert activities unions are involved in. I also saw from an opposing perspective the company's values. I switched to Rep. affiliation & voted for every Rep candidate since Reagan. I read his book written
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when he was Cal Gov. He testified that his pro-life legislation resulted from a spiritual revelation he received through prayerful intercession the night before having to sign new law about public funding of abortions. I had become born again months prior to that and have since voted according to similar personal revelation. God is interested & involved in the affairs of man, but THIS world is destined to perish and corruption runs rampant where there is no acknowledgement & acceptance of
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divine revelation - Dem or Rep! I do agree & history reveals that Reps are more consistently aligned with traditional godly values. Dems seem more inclined to embrace a poor interpretation of scripture & embrace liberal theology - if they believe in God at all. BTW: I have served bi-vocationally as a pastor/theologian since 1980. I have counseled people from all political persuasions, but today's anarchists are without convictions - mere mindless sheep without a shepherd.
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MJ, so you think that Republicans which are agents of Wall Street & Military Industrial Complex, as a result of which USA has become the most miserable Nation among all developed Nations, are:
"Reps are more consistently aligned with traditional godly values"

So you think USA having Murder rates that are 10,000% higher than other Developed Nations, such as the 58 Massacred in Vegas today, due to insane Gun Laws that Repugs/Trump support, is a "Godly"!
How brain dead are you?
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TD, now that you know that ALL of the violence and deceit is liberal-based, in partnership with the lying corrupt corporate left-wing media, what are you going to do to make things better?
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MJ, I was raised Catholic, so I have held many of my values from a very early age. In fact, I was a third-grade student at St. Teresa's school in Coral Gables Florida, when I started protesting against segregation at the bus terminal and on the buses.
It takes no elevated intellect to know that humans only beget humans and that they are human from conception. It takes nothing special to know that letting yourself be bullied guarantees that it will never stop. (cont.)
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I would like to believe that ignorance is its own punishment, but I see members, the party of hate and ignorance, practically in charge of every aspect of government.
I believe that President Trump is America's latest gift from God and He may get tired of our ingratitude. We have had eight years of subversion that needs to be fixed and God sent us a builder.
BTW, our histories are not too dissimilar; I was a union worker when my AFofL/CIO chapter became Teamster. The company had been after...
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me, for years, to join the staff and the union change just made it easier. Since then I have owned and run several businesses, with up to 30 employees, so even if I wasn't a conservative by then, scrambling to make payroll made me one.
The Democrats used to get votes from black people AND Klansmen at the same time. Most recently they have taken control of BLM, Atifa AND the Neo Nazi/Klan/White Supremacist groups to push President Trump out of office, but it isn't working.
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TOS, you really are poster child for what lunatics Republicans in USA have become thanks to LIES and Hate Mongering pouring out of Wall Street based right-wing Media. As a result of which we do not have the sensible Gun Laws that other developed Nations have. As a result of which:

1- Massacres like in Vegas happen all the time in USA while they have not happened in 20+ Years in UK since they passed such laws

2- US Police Shoot more Americans dead in 1 Month that are shot in UK in 100 Years
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"Massacres like in Vegas happen all the time in USA"

DUH.

Show me JUST ONE other massacre anything like the Vegas massacre in the USA!

None exist. Yet you can find worse massacres in many nations around the world throughout history with often MILLIONS of people dying.

You need to get out of your mommy's basement and live in the REAL world.

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mmerlinn,

If massacres like Vegas happened all the time in the USA, most people would move elsewhere, or be too afraid to go outside.

However, ThinkDeep makes a very good point about what a violent society we have here in the USA. It has gotten to the point where gun control is almost too late to do any good.
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Wheeler, massacres worse than Vegas are going to happen more and more frequently in the U.S., not necessarily because of guns, but because more and more deranged America haters are trying (and will succeed unless America wakes up soon) to destroy America. Will guns be involved? Likely in most of them, but I suspect that the really large massacres will not involve guns at all as evidenced by 911. Drones, airplanes, dirty bombs, etc. come to mind for large massacres.
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mmerlinn,

I don't think that it is necessarily "America haters" that we need to worry about. I think that it is deranged people, no matter what the reason. This guy in Vegas gave no indication that he was an "American hater". In fact as far as I know, no political agenda was involved in this matter. He was just crazy.

This is one of the best arguments in favor of gun control that has come along since Sandy Hook. We simply need to put a limit on the number of drugs that a person is allowed to m
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The political left does indeed hate America. Anyone calling themselves a radical, liberal, progressive, BLM, Democrat, socialist, communist, Antifa, neo-Nazi or white supremacist is a member of the criminal left and bad for America.
The right is called anarchists and lack much, in the way of organization.
The only pro-American factions are at the center of the political spectrum, the largest being the Republican Party.
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mmerlinn, are you brain dead that you cannot do a search for:
Top Mass Shootings in USA

And you will see a list of Mass Shootings in USA, the likes of which does NOT happen in any other Developed Nation, because they all have Strict Gun Laws which Republicans proving what True Enemy within they are oppose.

Here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/deadliest-mass-shootings-in-us-history-2017-10

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SBO (Did I get that in the right order?), The United Staes is the freest on Earth, but freedom has a price.
We unlike Australia, England and so many "enlightened" countries have a bill of rights, outlining things that the citizens have and that government cannot take back. This has always served us well, until liberals and progressives decided that citizens, with so much freedom, might hamper their attempts to establish a totalitarian police state here.
If you want to end...
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...90% of gun violence, first end public education, in favor of vouchers; remove activist liberals from the judiciary then and vote out every liberal, progressive, socialist, communist, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, Klansmen and Democrat, from public office. Only then, will we have a safer, wealthier, freer, stronger, more educated and productive America.
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Thom,

In other words, continue to bash the poor and starve them, not to mention continue discriminating against them and deny them an education so that they cannot better themselves, but perpetually remain on the welfare rolls.

Educational vouchers gives favorable treatment to more affluent white students, and work against minority students who really need a good public education.

In other words, you are advocating maintaining the status quo as it now exists. Great forward thinking! NOT!
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Apparently, Wheeler, your microbial intellect is incapable of understanding the phrase you misused - "other words". It should have been obvious that those "other words" should actually reflect what I wanted or said. Instead, you have inserted the opposing liberal view.
The status quo only benefits you DemoNazis; by holding back minorities; taking the father out of the home; culling their population, through abortion; extending poverty, providing sub-par education and withholding any...
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...possible opportunity on any conceivable level.
Why don't you join Rev. Al, as he extorts votes, from ghetto dwellers, lying about how their political masters have to fight the Republicans for every scrap and bone he offers them?
You lying racists have no shame.
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I would be honored to join Reverend Al Sharpton. He is one of the best advocates for African-American interest there is in the United States. From you, this is high praise and I thank you for it.

The more minorities that are in control of this country, the better. For far too long has our country been trapped in a Eurocentric system were only the wealthy white man who control everything are allowed to enjoy this nation's riches and prosperity.
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Hmmm, so, Wheeler, you think minorities are INCAPABLE of enjoying this nation's riches and prosperity? You think minorities are SUBHUMAN??? Shame on you, you RACIST bastard.

You need to wake up and get out of your mommy's basement.

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mmerlin,

I never said anything that even resembled anything you just said. You really need to learn how to read, and go back and reread my comment and attempt to understand correctly, if you have the mental capability to do so.
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I believe that it is extremely disrespectful. If you have read the rules pertaining to the NFL and The National Anthem. Read the NFL rules regarding the National Anthem. These players are not only disrespecting our Flag, our Nation but every single person who has served is serving and has sacrificed for our country. They may not like our president, but they need to get over it. President Trump won. That's all there is to it. The Flag is not about race or fairness or oppression. Get real people. Read about the real history of our nation. Find the truth, not what the media and the liberals want you to think. Learn to think for yourself. Grow the heck up. Respect your country or leave it.
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Thank you for your comment
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Gypsy5K,

If you read the true history of the United States, you will find it fraught with Eurocentrism and racism of the worst type. So what is your point?

This nation's flag belongs to everyone and if someone feels that exercising the right of free speech by not standing up for the national anthem, then the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to do so, no matter what some other people may think.
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If there was no flag, how would we show our patriotism to this great country we live in?
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ministertriage,

A flag, just like the national anthem, is nothing more than a physical symbol that only has whatever value that one assigns to it. As far as I can tell, the entire crux of this entire debate is whether or not a person, who is a free citizen, should be compelled to stand on their feet whenever a particular song, in this case the national anthem, is played.

Standing for the national anthem has become just another meaningless gesture in our society that is irrelevant.
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Employees can be legally compelled to stand in a respectful manner, whether for the Pledge or Anthem, and they can be fired for not doing it.
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ThomatOurStore,

If you want to get into legalities, Donald Trump broke the law by suggesting that these employees be fired after he called them sons of bitchs. Technically, it is illegal for a public official to suggest to the employer what action they should take involving an employment matter.

Realistically, expected team owners to fire their "cash cows" is like expecting a chicken to fly south for the winter. It's not going to happen!

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Here is the quote Wheeler, - โ€œWouldnโ€™t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, โ€˜Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out. Heโ€™s fired. Heโ€™s fired!โ€™ You know, some owner is going to do that. Heโ€™s going to say, โ€˜That guy that disrespects our flag, heโ€™s fired.โ€™ And that owner, they donโ€™t know it. They don't know it. They'll be the most popular person, for a week. They'll be the most popular person in this country."
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Wheeler, please cite any law that our president broke, during that speech.
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Earlier this week it was implied that Donald Trump may have broken a law by suggesting that NFL owners fire players. I freely concede that I was mistaken, but what he did is considered highly unethical in some circles. Here is the most I can find about it.


Donald Trump: Can the President Legally Tell NFL To Fire Players? | SI.com
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-comments-fire-players-protests
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When the "cash cows" become a liability for any entity, then they must be fired lest the entity itself go bankrupt. Will this entity (the NFL) go bankrupt if they don't fire their "cash cows" that are now becoming a liability to them? Not likely, but it will definitely hurt their bottom line to keep any "cash cows" that are not toeing the line expected by their PAYING customers, the fans.
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Wheeler, read up on Harry Truman, who was never shy about calling people out and making it personal.
Americans usually elect either a roughneck or pseudo-intellectual to the presidency. After a long term of a pseudo-intellectual, like 0bama, the general population feels as if they have been robbed of so much that they then elect a roughneck to get back what they lost.
The election of Donald Trump was just that, a return to a time of strength and freedom, that every patriotic American values.