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Posted On: 2017-09-14 07:25:44
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Did God lie?

When Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden, God commanded them thus "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt "surely" die Gen 2:17." but when they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they appeared to be very much alive, conscious and aware of their previously concealed nakedness.In fact, they could still hear God and respond to His questions and we all know that dead people cant hear or respond to questions. So my questions are Did God lie when He told Adam and Eve that they would die if they ate of the fruit of the forbidden tree? , did He intentionally mislead them into thinking that they would die if they ate from the forbidden fruit in order to prevent them from having their eyes open and becoming god like just like the serpent suggested? Your answers are appreciated.

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The answer to your question is on the verses of
Genesis 3:19-23 “By the sweat of your face you are to eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you return (Adan will died). And the man called his wifeʼs name Ḥawwah, because she became the mother of all living. And YHWH Elohim made coats of skin for the man and his wife and dressed them. And YHWH Elohim said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever... so YHWH Elohim sent him out of the garden of Ěḏen to till the ground from which he was taken" (To live and eventualy died). Adan and Eve were supposed to live forever but after sin (disobeying Elohim), hthey were condemed to died. Blessings.
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God never lies!
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Yes God never lies! And people are listening to the mainstream media because if you know the truth God is on President's Trump side. Trump is trying to save the US. The media lies about him. The Bible tells us that in the end time the whole world will be deceived and that is exactly what has happened! May God have mercy on us living in this sinful world! Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Obama was wrecking the US if anyone will research it. He cleverly hid the truth from thee peopl
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So you think Trump Republicans doing nothing about 1 Mass Shooting of American People after another, such as 28 Americans Shot dead in the Christian Church in Texas, 59 shot dead in Texas, etc. is "Trump is trying to save the US"!

You think Trump wanting to pass Trumpcare which will result in 10s of Millions of American People not having Healthcare on top of 10s of Millions of Americans who already do not have Healthcare, is "Trump is trying to save the US"!

Above facts are proof God lies.
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There were shootings when the Obama administration was in power too. It is hard to stop this kind of shootings and the government should not pay out money for medical insurance to dead beats.
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NO, we can greatly reduce the number of shootings in USA, by 95% plus in fact, as they have done in Australia, UK, etc. by passing strict Gun laws. But Republicans such as Trump, oppose such sensible acts which are supported by the Conservative parties in Australia, UK, etc.

Here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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2nd, who the FAWK are you Anti-God Anti-Humans calling "dead beats"?
We American People pay Taxes, just like People in other developed Countries do, but whereas they get Healthcare for their Taxes, we get NOTHING for our Taxes but War after War and Billions for Israel, which Israel has 100% Government run Universal Socialized where the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media, all get Healthcare free for Taxes they pay.

OTOH, in USA thanks to Godless
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Trump Republicans and Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media, we do not have something as basic as Universal Socialized, what all Developed Nations have NHS, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Democrats & the right-wing Media, as a result of which:

1- At least 50,000 Americans killed per Year due to denial of Healthcare
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13kristof.html

2- Two Million+ Americans going bankrupt per Year due to Healthcare costs!
etc. Horrors

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Well God must have lied to us, otherwise how can a Sociopath such as Trump be the President of USA!
A person whose entire life and existence and actions are based on LIES.
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A proper understanding of who we are and what death really means would make it clear to us that God did "not lie when he told Adam and Eve that they would die in the day that they ate of the forbidden fruit. Jesus asks "what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul?" Eze 18:20 tells us that the soul (not the body or the flesh) that sins shall die. Man is not body. Man is soul. We are spiritual souls who inhabit temporal human bodies of flesh and blood. Our bodies serve as temporal clothings or coverings to our souls i.e who we really are while we exist in this world of sin, space and time. (Job 10:11)

Genesis 2:7 tells us that when God breathed the breathe of "life" into man, he became a "living" soul. The Bible calls the tree approved of God in the Garden the tree of "life" Jesus refers to Himself as the breath of "life". The Bible tells us thus of Jesus "..in Him was life and the life was the light of all men."
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It also tells us that eternal life (i.e Jesus) which was with the Father was made manifest to us. Jesus is the life or breath of the soul or in simpler terms, the breath that gives life to the soul or the self. In the natural world we breathe in oxygen in order to survive, In the Spiritual world, we need to breathe in Jesus (the eternal spirit that comes from the Father) into our souls in order to live.
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When God told Adam and Eve that they would die in the day that they rebelled against His commandment, He was referring to the death of their souls ( their true selves.) We saw that Man was referred to as a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into Him. Man with breath is alive. Man without breath or Spirit is dead to God and the spiritual (real) sphere. In the natural world, when we die, we cease breathing and become unconscious of our surroundings.
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It is the same with the spiritual world. When our souls die to breath (i.e Christ who is our life) we become unconscious of the spiritual realm and who we are meant to be spiritually. Death is to be unaware of your fate as a soul without Christ and this is the reason why we are naturally body or material conscious while we are in this world of death and sin.
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We cant see outside the 5 sense realm. Like Adam and Eve after the fall, we lose sight of God our covering and We are only conscious of our naked and empty selves. Everything we see and know is filtered through our (flesh) 5 senses. Anything that is beyond our five sense reality is termed as superstition. Strangely, we are only conscious of ourselves as temporal fleshy bodies instead of the souls that we truly are .
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The forbidden tree knowledge aka the knowledge of this world of sin or the satanic/serpent knowledge is death which is why the Bible tells us to be carnally minded "is death." (not to be carnally minded leads to death) Eph 2:1 "And you hath he quickened, who were "dead" in trespasses and sins;" You are dead (not you are going to die) when you are in sin. To know sin is to become unconscious of God who is the life of your soul.
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To see this life as all there is and to lose sight of God's eternal life is to be dead which is why Col 3:1 tells us "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God." If you are alive, you will seek the things above, the things in Eden. Col 3: 2 "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."
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If you are alive, your affection would be focused on things above and not on things on the earth i.e this world, your body and its lusts. You are alive to the extent that you are conscious of yourself as a dead soul who has appropriated Christ. You are dead to the extent that you are unconscious of yourself as a dead soul in need of Christ.
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We are supposed to be spirit souls ( living souls). i.e souls given life by the indwelling Breath/Spirit of God who is Christ (Gen 2:7) To repent and appropriate Christ is to become situated in that identity. To reject Christ and hold unto our own worldview i.e our own fleshy ways/perceptions is death.Like God said, Adam and Eve died in the very day that they ate from the forbidden fruit and this is reflected in their becoming conscious of their previously concealed nakedness i.e their selves.
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To be conscious of ourselves and our way is death. To be unconscious of our own nakedness by appropriating Christ our covering is life. To be alive is to see things as Christ sees them and to stop holding unto our delusions of being naked and empty when he is there with us. When God says You will die, He means the soul will die. . But we in our death identify with our bodies, which is the source of our bondage. We identify with the pleasures they give us and and ig
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...nore the need to realize the death of who we really are.We are not physical bodies. The so called life in our body is temporal. Its pleasures are temporal But the life and pleasure that God wants to offer our true self is eternal. Our bodies were given to us to experience this world of sin. but we must understand that we are souls in need of CHRIST OUR LIFE. That is the only path towards eternal life

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Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
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Nice verses @glorybound9876 . When we are in sin we are dead. When we reject i.e refuse to believe in Christ we are dead (not we are going to die) Eternal life is to know Jesus right now.

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God did NOT lie.
God NEVER lies.
When God told Adam and Eve that they would die He meant dying more than just one way.
The moment Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they lost eternal life, and received eternal death, and so they died Spiritually IMMEDIATELY the moment they ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam and Eve were physically immortal until they ate the forbidden fruit.
And, the evidence for this is both Adam and Eve eventually died physically.
So, Adam and Eve died both Spiritually and Physically the moment they ate that forbidden fruit.

http://JESUSisGOD.com/Blog

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Adam and Eve were immortal before they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not lie.
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I would have to agree with you 100 percent. God is the God of truth and he does what he say and Jesus is the mediator between God and man.

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God didn't lie, but He obviously meant having to leave the Garden of Eden, where a physical death had never taken place. Outside of the garden physical death occurs, so both Adam and Eve died two different types of death, one being the loss of eternal happiness and the other a loss of life itself.



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