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Posted On: 2017-08-22 15:31:35
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What do you think of Trump speech about Afghanistan War?


Donald Trump’s speech about Afghanistan promises to intensify US involvement in Afghanistan. This represents a complete u-turn for the man who backed troop withdrawal and blasted
his White House predecessors for futile missions that were a “complete waste.”

Trump 2013
"We should have a speedy withdrawal. Why should we keep wasting our money -- rebuild the U.S.!"

But now he has given a speech which is nearly identical to what Obama gave about Afghanistan in 2012 or Hillary Clinton was giving. Namely to summarize:
"If we leave Afghanistan hastily that will embolden the Terrorist.."
Since when leaving a War after 16 Years of having waged it is "leaving hastily"?
And then he said: "We are going to now wage the Afghan War to Win it..."
So are you saying that last 16 Years we were waging the Afghan War to loose it?
And why is China that borders Afghanistan, repeat borders Afghanistan, sees no threat from Terrorist and has had ZERO troops in Afghanistan and ZERO Dollar Spent to defend against these "horrific Terrorists" and instead spent the same Trillions on building High Speed Trains, Renewable Energy, etc.. What do you think?

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1 week 4 days ago

The famous American linguist and philosopher, NOAM CHOMSKY, once said: "EVERYBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT STOPPING TERRORISM. WELL, THERE IS AN EASY WAY OF ELIMINATING IT. STOP PARTICIPATING IN IT."
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Trump & Obama and their speeches about continuing the Afghanistan War, after 8 Years in case of Obama, and after 16 Years in case of Trump, are final proof that the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) and their Wall Street buddies that make Fortune from these non ending Wars run USA and not American People (Democracy).
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I thought that speech just displayed the usual hypocrisy that has become synonymous of Donald Trump and his entire administration. He is reversing his previous stance on the issue of Afghanistan. During his campaign Donald Trump said against anymore warfare in Afghanistan, and that the United States should take care of the United States first.

I can't say is I really surprised by his reversing his position because that has become his usual pattern of behavior. I wish I can say I was surprised, or caught off guard by his reversal, but I cannot.
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3 weeks 5 days ago
Wheeler, you have said it right. But the speech displayed the usual hypocrisy that has become synonymous of entire US administration. For the speech that he gave is nearly identical to what Obama gave 8 Years ago and what Hillary gave, which to summarize it was: "If we leave Afghanistan too hastily all that we have won would be for not and Terrorist will take over as they in Iraq upon Obama leaving as per Bush time line", which is non-sense upon non-sense. Given the fact that:
1- USA has been
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in Afghanistan (War) for an unbelievable 16 Years now under Republicans and Democrats, while China that borders Afghanistan, repeat borders Afghanistan, has been in Afghanistan for ZERO days of Wars and has spent ZERO on such War.

2- Iraq War a War based on lies, is what that lead to creation of ISIS

And now the Psycho Trump is talking about Nuclear War with North Korea?
While again China that borders, repeat borders, North Korea is not. Or Canada that borders us, is NOT.

When are the
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American People going to Wake UP to the fact that the Military Industrial Complex (aka War Mongers) control US, via their control of Wall Street based rightWing Media! And they are wasting our lives and Money on War after War, while other Nations are investing same Money in their Countries infrastructure, etc. so that little rain as in Huston does not cause catastrophe!

For more:
http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=67318
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
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TD, you have nailed it man. US is controlled by the MIC and Israel lobby. And that is why US has been in Iraq and Afganistan, so that Iran is kept in a grip. Damn be the cost to American people and truth
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I'm afraid the American people will never wake up, even though we have been involved in warfare since the beginning of this country. As long as the status quo system is allowed to exist in its present form, nothing will change. As long as warfare is profitable, nothing will change. With making peace instead of war becomes more profitable, I'm afraid that things will remain as they are. Of course, the American people can always change things if they can give up their petty squabbling, and unify.
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3 weeks 21 hours ago
But WHY, American people are not waking up to the fact that the Military Industrial Complex has total control of Republicans, Democrats and Big Media, and is Fear Mongering US into War after War after War, and hence wasting the American Nation's Life and Future on these Wars that make Trillions for Wall Street Military Industrial Complex, at the expense of American Cities and People having become waste lands compared to European Cities. WHY?
How is it that American People cannot ask
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3 weeks 20 hours ago
themselves:

WHY is it that USA under Republicans & Democrats has been engaged in War on Afghanistan for an unbelievable 16 Years at cost of about 3 Trillion Dollars, 2000+ US Soldiers Killed, 100,000+ Afghans KILLED, while China the 2nd largest economy in the World that borders Afghanistan, repeat borders Afghanistan, is engaged in ZERO such War!

WHY? Because US Media is a right-wing lying Machine. And unless We the People face this FACT, nothing will change.
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3 weeks 15 hours ago
Reporter,

They were saying the exact same thing back in the 60s, but people still do not wake up to the fact that war accomplishes absolutely nothing for anyone other than the defense contractors and war profiteers.

We cannot blame this entire mess on the media because, even though they are in collaboration in spreading lies, they are not the source of the lies, the government is. True democracy in the United States has become a bad joke, I'm afraid.
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2 weeks 6 days ago
Wheeler61, but the Big Media, from CBS to CNN to MSNBC to Fox and the Psychos on TalkRadio, etc. are all controlled by the same Wall Street Money that also controls the Republicans and Democrats. And that is why you/we indeed need to blame the Media for USA being engaged in War after War after War, at cost of Trillions of Dollars to American People, while Canada is not, China is not.
But we need to keep in mind that Big Media is also Hollywood, Google, Facebook, etc.
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2 weeks 6 days ago
For example search on Google:

WHY has USA been engaged in War on Afghanistan for 16 Years at cost of Trillions of Dollars, while China the 2nd largest economy in the World that borders Afghanistan, repeat borders Afghanistan, has spent ZERO Days and Dollars on this War

There are 1000s of documents based on this question which would highlight the Republican Democrats lies to sell this War, as in other Wars, but all these documents are missing from Google search results.
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Yes2goodideas,

Since Google is one of the largest multinational, multibillion-dollar corporations in the world, are you really surprised? Actually, I would be very surprised to find these documents available on Google, or anyone else.

The only way you will ever have access to these documents is either if you have security clearance, or know someone who is deeply embedded in the government with a security clearance. These types of documents are always kept deeply buried out of sight.
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I am glad you all have woken up to the fact that Google, just as CNN MSNBC Fox, etc. is a part and parcel of the Wall Street Military Industrial Complex, and that is why USA is engaged in War after War, because these organs of Wall Street MIC Fear Monger and Hate Monger to sell these Wars, from which Wars they make Trillions of Dollars, damn be the American People, set aside Millions they kill around the World. The only real question is how in GODs name American people are not on the street by
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the Millions and demonstrating for real change to these Republican Democrat Wall Street War Mongering, which again just makes Trillions for Wall Street and damn be everyone else. Here is a glimpse into these facts:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/05/defense-stocks-surge-on-north-korea-tensions-mega-deal.html

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I was flabbergasted. After 16 Years waging this War, longer than WWI + WWII + Civil War, he can somehow by some Osmosis look at his Audience and actually state: "If we leave Afghanistan hastily this will give blahblah to Terrorist". And then also added "Look at that we left Iraq too soon and that created ISIS".
Answer to 1st non-sense is since when leaving a War longer than WWI + WWII + Civil War, is leaving it too hastily? And the unjust unnecessary Iraq War that destroyed the secular regime that lead that Country created ISIS, since there was zero ISIS in Iraq before the unnecessary Iraq War that your buddies started.
Ah, whats the point :(
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Election of Trump and his promise to wage even more Wars than Bush and Obama with their 7 Wars and 1-Million+ they Killed and $6-Trillion of our Money they wasted, is a reminder that USA is not a Nation but an Abomination. That is a Nation controlled by Military Industrial Complex. I mean just look at our Northern neighbor Canada, it has Zero troops in Afghanistan, it is bombing Zero Muslim Countries, it has Government run Socialized Healthcare, yet this "American Psycho" Trump was elected who is promising even more Wars than Bush and Obama, such as threatening North Korea with Nuclear War and Killing Millions, and calls the 16 Years Afghanistan War to be too short a War which is same as the Psycho saying if we leave Afghanistan now that would be a "Hasty"! Really sick :(
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"USA is not a Nation but an Abomination."
I am afraid you have hit the nail on the head. But question is how is this possible? How did we become a Country where Bush wages War on 2 Countries, Obama runs on "I am going to change the War Mongering mentality" and then wages War on 3 MORE Countries and then this "True Psycho" Trump is elected who promises even MORE Wars! Why are American People not on the street and asking why are we in constant War and Canada in constant Peace?
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We came such as Country by We the People getting our News from a right-wing lying Media and by not having real consciousness.

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I think that Donald Trump's speech typifies the mentality of the average American politician; lots of words, no meaning. Hasn't anyone, most of all politicians, got a clue that maybe we were meant to win this war? Does anyone actually "win" a war?

China probably doesn't get involved because they figure that the United States will do all of the dirty work and heavy lifting in this situation. They are correct. The United States puts itself in the position where we always get screwed. It's almost like we are begging for it.

The United States needs to wake up and realize that we are not the cops of the world, even though big business always makes money during a war. We need to find other solutions to problems other than killing people in foreign nations. It's time we started paying attention to what's happening here at home, and let other countries sort out their problems.
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Wheeler61, very well said. My only question is why aren't American People out on the street by the Millions asking for an END to these non-Stop Wars by these Repugs and Democrats which obviously controlled by the Military Industrial Complex. I mean can you imagine if the Prime Minister of Canada would say lets invade Afghanistan and build a Wall between US and Canada. They would lock him up in an insane Asylum which is where this Psycho Trump belongs at.
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Wheeler61, Yes you can actually Win a War, if you are fighting a real Nation with an Army, Navy, Air Force, etc.. But NO You cannot win an imaginary made up War by the wall Street Military Industrial Complex, which is Afghanistan War, War on ISIS, etc. when the enemy are the People of that Nation and they have NO Army, NO Navy, NO Air Force, etc.
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Lux_Report,

I politely disagree. No one ever wins the war, because there will always be casualties who don't deserve to die. This is the case no matter if you are fighting a nation, or a bunch of guerrillas out in a jungle or desert. Some innocent person will always pay the ultimate price of giving up the life for some so-called "cause" that really doesn't mean a damn thing in the long run.

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There was so much garbage and lies and non-sense in Trump speech about Afghanistan War to try to address each would be a waste of my time, since any intelligent, aka non- White Trash White Supremacist, knows by now that Trump is a lying sociopath and that all he cares about is the MIC, Wall Street & Israel. Beside people below have taken a good crack at these already. I would just like to point out the amazingly bizarre rubbish that Trump said about India, "the Largest Democracy in the World" should help us defeat this enemy. Really India! Indians are such wooose that a Country of 1.2-Billion People won 1 Bronze Medal in last Olympic! Such woose that India has never ever even qualified to play in any major sporting event such as World Cup. etc. And India is as far as you can go from real Democracy.
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WT, very well said. My only question is why aren't American People out on the street by the Millions asking for an END to these non-Stop Wars by these Repugs and Democrats which obviously controlled by the Military Industrial Complex.
What is wrong with American People!
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Regal,

I'm afraid you give the American people more credit than we deserve. Not since the antiwar movement or civil rights movement of the 60s, have Americans been able to get together and be united about anything. The only exception might be fighting against the fascism of Donald Trump and his followers. Unfortunately, much of that has resulted in the type of violence it only serves to create divisions among people; the last thing we need.


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