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Posted On: 2017-07-30 20:49:34
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What are good ideas to solving the Immigration and Illegal Aliens problem?

What's the best remedy for the illegal alien situation?
Is there a good solution? Or is this something that will never be solved?

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1 month 5 days ago

Immigration is not the problem, it is the opportunity for a Nation / Society to better itself.
Since Immigrants can bring all sort of new ideas and flavors to a Country that can be going stale and drab on its own. So we need to thank Immigrants every day, for going through all the hardship that they go through to change Country and come to ours.
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Totally agree. The danger is less from too much Immigration, but too little Immigration. Which danger USA is facing thanks to the Hate Mongering policies of Republicans and Democrats. But of course Republi-Cons even more. As you can see from recent report that More Mexicans are leaving USA than coming here!

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/more-mexican-immigrants-leaving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?mcubz=1
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Yes Amanda, Trump and RepubliCONS want to build the Wall to keep People from fleeing this rat hole they have created called USA :(
Although to be exact USA can be the greatest Country on Earth, if we put an end to the right-wing lies and attack on US by Wall Street Cabal behind these psychos. Although the more I see, such as the FAKE election of this Sociopath, that seems to me is not likely.
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Nolight, you are going to witness the result of uncontrolled immigration to your country and you will not like the results. Trump and his supporters, for whatever reason, do not want the same in the U.S.
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Well USA is facing the revers problem, that is more People are leaving USA than coming to USA thanks to the hate filled policies of Trump and the right-wing Media. As per the example of the URL that amanda_page has posted. And lets remind ourselves, that lots of the top innovations in this country are driven by immigration, such as that the father of Steve Jobs of Apple was from Syria.
Which Apple needless to say has created 100s of 1000s of Jobs, Andy Grove of Intel from Hungary, etc.

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2 months 2 weeks ago

What do you think the chances are that terrorists could use central and south America as entry points and make their ay into the U.S.?
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2 months 2 weeks ago
That chance is remote. That is the Chance of you being hit by a Lightning twice in a Year would be much higher than that fear mongering "chance".
However the chance of an American being Killed due to the insane Gun laws in USA, which insane Gun laws Trump and Republicans champion, is much higher. For example in Chicago more Americans have been KILLED due to these insane Gun laws, over last 12 Months alone, than all the Americans that have EVER been killed by ISIS which is 3
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2 months 2 weeks ago
And I think you're misunderstanding gun laws...
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Lux, Exactly. And what does the right-wing Media from CBS, to CNN, to Fox and War Mongers Obama_Clinton_Trump want American People to Fear? ISIS, which ISIS again has Killed 3 Americans in entire time while in Chicago, one US City alone, more Americans have been KILLED than all Europeans ever Killed by ISIS.

Here: 762 murders. 12 months. 1 American city. NOT By Terrorist but by insane Gun laws and endemic Poverty of Republi-Cons & Demo-Rats:

http://time.com/4635049/chicago-murder-rate-homicides/
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2 months 2 weeks ago
And there's definitely no comparison to street crimes in our country because there's a large ocean to cross. Murders in one of our own cities s not a fair comparisonson. London has terror attacks but it doesn't compare to murders in their city. Or any other for that matter...
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2 months 2 weeks ago
It's more about their reasoning for wanting to do it. If all of ISIS lived in Chicago what do you think would happen?
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1st, ISIS is the result of US War on Iraq, a War that removed the Secular regime of Hussein under which regime there was ZERO Terrorist attacks, a War sold under Mountain of LIES by Republi-Cons, Demo-Rats & Wall Street Media, which War has Killed 1-Million+ Iraqi Man Woman & Child, and 5,000+ US Soldiers and $4-Trillion of our Taxes wasted.
2nd, the comment "If all of ISIS lived in Chicago" is so asinine it is not worth commenting on.
So the FACT is that More Americans have been KILLED in 1 US
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City of Chicago in One Year, not by Terrorist, but by Americans, or that ISIS has EVER Killed in Entire of Europe. A murder rate that is an astounding 20,000% Higher on per Capita basis than UK, because UK has strict Gun laws that even Conservative parties 100% supports. And what are Trump_Obama and right-wing Media Fear Mongering about? ISIS and Terrorist. How much Math and Facts do you need as to the Fear Mongering Con Job that they are playing on US?
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2 months 2 weeks ago
Think Deeper...
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Oh how Cute! Another Republican whose only coherent response is to play with your nick-name! Bravo for your intellect Sir! The lack of it to be exact :)

So yes indeed just think a little deep and look at the MATH for GOD Sake.
The MATH tells US that the real threat to US is not from the nothing ISIS or Terrorist but is from the insane policies put into place by Republi-Cons and Demo-rats from INSANE Gun laws to the fact that USA lacks even the most basic of the Social services which is
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Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), something so essential for well being of a Nation that 100% of all developed Nations, that is all European Nations, Canada, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama Democrats & the right-wing Media, have had for DECADES. Lack of which NHS is KILLING at least 50,000 Americans Per Year. Compare that to 3 Americans ever Killed by ISIS ever.
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2 months 2 weeks ago
Here is just ONE of these Americans Killed due to lack of NHS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13kristof.html

For more:

http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=64892
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ThinkDeep, thanks for your passionate and deep analysis of what really is ailing American life, which as you well noted is not Immigrants, whether legal or illegal, whom all are generally hard working good People, but it is the Policies or lack of it, by Republicans and Democrats whom are both hostage to Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex.

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What a timely discussion, since Tump just proposed cutting Legal Immigration to USA by 50%!
Here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/02/trump-immigration-law-reduction-10-years
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TD, although I think Trump is a lier and despicable human being, proof of which is his stand on Healthcare where they want to replace the junk that is ObamaCare with bigger junk that is TrumpCare, or him supporting the insane Gun laws we have in this Country which is KILLING 1000s times more American per Year than Terrorists have ever Killed, I think he is actually right by limiting legal Immigration to US because Big Wall Street Silicon Valley based companies are abusing current immigration
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via what is known as H1B Visa to hire Engineers from European Countries and not have these high paying Jobs go to American People. Which is DOUBLE Screwing American People, since same Wall Street Silicon Valley Billionaires are opposing Universal Socialized College Education that Europeans have, which allows them to go to College for Free for Taxes they pay, for American People and instead an American has to pay an insane $100,000 to get same College Education that Europeans get for FREE.

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Keep in mind that USA is a Nation of Immigration. And that Nations that have most Liberal Immigration policies, such as Canada, Germany, etc. are the ones who have the most robust economies.
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Yes totally after. Immigration is life blood of all great Modern Nations. Of course you need to have safe gaurds in place that only people who want to work can get in. But immigrAtion is the spice of life for a Nation
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2 months 2 weeks ago
Immigration to a Country is like Blood flow to a Body, you need it to maintain a fresh healthy body. So for Trump and his followers to have demonized Immigration, in particular Immigration from our beautiful neighbor on the South that is Mexico was and is crazy to put it mildly. To see this fact just watch this HGTV show called "Mexico Life", to see what beautiful Country Mexico is. Now here is the real Killer part, more Americans are Immigrating to Mexico than other way around!
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If it is true that immigration is the life blood of a nation, then those same immigrants are also the death of the nation they are leaving. In other words, if a nation requires immigration to prosper, then any nation not immigrating more people than are emigrating cannot prosper. No matter how one looks at it, the whole concept makes no sense at all.

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Does that mean that immigration is useless? Not at all. Many nations arose from immigration including the U.S. And NO ONE should be against immigrants as long as those immigrants obey the laws of the nations that they are immigrating to.
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2 months 2 weeks ago
Mmerlinn : I totally agree with you

Thank you with your good idea.
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Well of course "immigrants should obey the laws of the nations that they are immigrating to." No one, sane, is saying otherwise. Actually beside that obvious point, the Key test for immigrants immigrating to a new Country is that they are either going to go to School or be working Hard, since either of these activities is what a Nation needs to have better economies. Bottom line as long as an immigrants are immigrating to work hard and play hard, they should be welcomed with open arm.

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If the "cost" to immigrate is more than the "benefits" no one would immigrate. So the simple answer is to increase the costs and decrease the benefits.

For example, in the extreme (and I do NOT recommend this), if everyone was automatically shot trying to illegally cross a border, the "costs" would greatly outweigh the "benefits" and illegal border crossings would become a non-issue.

If the U.S. would get rid of their stupid "baby is born in America so is therefore American" rule one big "benefit" to illegally enter the U.S. would disappear. No other nation has such a rule. There are lots of other things that could be changed to either raise the "costs" or decrease the "benefits" but the politicians are too cowardly and/or self-serving to put the American people FIRST. Example of self-serving is Maxine Waters WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN THE DISTRICT SHE REPRESENTS, which is apparently too poor for her rich tastes and does not have ANY million dollar homes.
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All those things would work. And politicians are definitely self serving.
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Actually all Developed Nations, OECD Countries have the rule that if you are born in that Nation you are an Automatic Citizen of that Nation. Only a Republican lunatic, would 1st think that most Nations do not have such a basic rule.

And then say: "if everyone was automatically shot trying to illegally cross a border"! WOW. Can you imagine if American Indians had Shot every English settler immigrating to US on Plymouth rock! That would be lunatic, but then that describe Republicans aka Trump :(
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WOW. The uniformed lunatics are migrating to this thread.

Yup, and if the Indians had been smart enough and strong enough to do that there would be no uninformed lunatics from a hell hole city in a hell hole state polluting this thread.
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So mmerlinn, you would have liked for Indians to have Shot and Killed the English settler immigrating to US on Plymouth rock! That makes you the "lunatic" all the way. So the fact of the matter is that DisWay is 100% right that in just about any modern Nation, which includes all OECD Nations, if you are born in that Nation then you are of course the Automatic Citizen of that Country. Anything else would be lunacy, which means only Republican lunatic supported of Trump such as you would back.
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World, yes that is really crazy talk to be wishing for English settler immigrating to US on Plymouth rock to be killed by Indians all so that the right-wing Nut Job supporters of Trump can wish the same for Mexicans immigrating to US today! really bizarre these people are :(

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If you can't find the reason why people immigrate, then you will never find solution to immigrants and illegal Aliens. The only solution right now is to leave people move freely into this world because its for them to do so.Mostly some of them contributes to the economic developments of the nation.
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2 months 3 weeks ago
Good Point. Do you see anything negative about immigration?
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Of course everything has negative and positive part of it. But with something concern about people's lives in terms of safety which might be the big reason they immigrate,then we have to be balanced about it.
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That is very true. Safety is critical when it comes to tragedies going on around the world. How do you view the situation in the U.S. and the proposed building of the wall?
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There is no problems building a wall to protect the nation from unknown intruders because i guess in every man's home would be necessary to put a fence for protection and safety, But that is not the point to avoid immigrants or illegal aliens. The main point would be to put a proper system in place to identity or register every person who have managed to come in no matter how he came in ,but not to push that person back unwillingly by means of deportation.
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I think if they were close enough to register them they would arrest them and send them back. That's actually a good idea but they'd never go for it.

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