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What is-the difference between soul and flesh?

Our fight isn't against flesh and blood, so didn't Jesus Blood save us from our own flesh?
So is our war with the soul vs the flesh?
What is the difference between our sin nature and our mind?

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Soul= Your essence who you are.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became "a living soul." Gen 2:7. Man is soul.

Flesh = The body, the vessel that you i.e the soul uses to express itself in the material world. It could be likened to a container (body) which holds water (soul) i.e gives it shape. Water usually takes on the shape of the container that it is put inside. In like manner when soul incarnates "inside" the body, it identifies with it. It could also be likened to the clothing that you i.e the soul uses to clothe/cover itself . i.e without body, you are soul.

Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews. Job 10:11
Spirit= Life. God, The Spirit that gives the soul life/animation. God is Spirit. (John 4:24) God breathed his spirit into man's nostrils and man "became" i.e was transformed into a living soul. Without God, man is dead. When life
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i.e God is rejected, man is dead in sin and trespasses (Eph 2:1) The further away from life you are, the more dead you are and the nearer to life you are, i.e the closer to Christ you are, the more alive you are
For, behold, those who are far from you shall perish. Psalm 73:27
"Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life." John 6:35

In the beginning i.e in God's ideal world prior to the creation and fall of man into sin. Life who is God decided to create beings who had life and consciousness.
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and since God "alone" is life, in order to be sustained eternally, the creation had to continually partake in God's life i.e continually abide in God (John 15:7). God intended His creation to reflect Him. Since everything created had life/spirit, everything created reflected God's eternal life nature in varying intensities and degrees. (e.g plants have less consciousness than animals) But the last creation of God i.e man was to bear God's image i.e be a perfect reflection of God who is life.
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But man chose separation from God who is life over unity with Him i.e "fell." into what we call sin and thus plunged the whole creation into separation.
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Rom 8:21
Man's sin ensured that the whole creation became animated by an illusory life, a life of separation from God a world of toil and labors, a dog eat dog world, a world far away from God who is life,
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A world that no longer reflects God eternal nature, A world under the power of the spirit of this world
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, "the spirit" that now worketh in the children of disobedience:Eph 2:2
So man is now dead to God i.e the eternal spirit who is life and alive to the god of this world i.e the spirit (i.e the impulses) that animates the soul that dwells in the body of flesh
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When a father wants to generate new life, He "takes" from "his" millions of seeds (one sometimes two or three) and plants it into the female and life is created. In the same way when God wants to create souls who have life, He takes of His own life and shares it with them.
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Children are all unique expressions of their parents. The creation was intended to be a unique expression of Spirit (i.e partakers of His Spirit) So all Christians are unique expressions of Christ. One body many expressions.
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The simple answer to your last question "What is the difference between our sin nature and our mind?" is Our sin nature "is our mind". They are not different. We sin because our minds are sin. Eph 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the "flesh and of the mind;" and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. When we fulfill the desires of the flesh and mind, we sin as simple as that which is why...
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1 COR 2:16 tells us "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but "we have the mind of Christ." The way out of sin is to have the mind of Christ i.e die to "our own natural minds and be reborn of His (John 3:5)
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Greetings, BERRINTON.. and Peace to you and Yours! Excellent explanation and very much in harmony with scripture. Thank you!

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The soul is spiritual.
The flesh is physical.

God has a Soul.
Jesus has a soul.
Jesus' Soul is God's Soul.

http://JESUSisGOD.com/GodsCharacter/GodsSoul.htm

http://JESUSisGOD.com/ChristsCharacter/ChristsSoul.htm
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SaintlyMic.. Greetings and Peace to you and yours! I have just two very important points to make. (1), If GOD has a soul, what is its purpose, since the soul actually deals with the flesh? and (2), Through GOD'S "manifestation" would it not be more appropriate to say that it was by means of such manifestation that GOD became flesh (Jesus) and in the flesh (Jesus) the man, once had a SOUL, but NOW has resumed HIS natural state in heaven, which is spirit?
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Okinawa - You may be 'on' to something here. Considering the secular universal definition of 'soul' = the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal. Even throughout Scripture, 'soul' is in reference ONLY to human beings & animals.
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Saintly Mic - While we agree, the soul is spiritual, NEVER is GOD ALMIGHTY attributed with having (or needing) a 'soul'. He Created ALL souls, so by very definition - He is not bound by ANY restrictions or attributes of His Creation, souls included. I would be very interested in ANY Scriptural evidence YOU may have to support the notion of God having a 'soul'. I realize that such may be a simple matter of misunderstood semantics, but 'spirit' is NOT always = to 'soul', certainly NOT ever = GOD.
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Greetings MJ.. and Peace to you and yours! Thank you for your post. Though I have never found anything in Scriptures that would allow me to agree with SaintlyMic regarding [the Spirit GOD, or GOD, the Father] having a soul, I couldn't help but find that it is GOD the Son... which gives the real clue to understanding the person of Jesus. As you for some time have known, and I have come to understand, Jesus the man was 'mortal' and complete with all human frailties.. except for the
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Cont'd>> one MOST separate - having a "perfect spirit" and a "perfect, spirit connection" with GOD the Father. Peace, my friend!
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This is getting to my point as even when Jesus rose from the dead, Jews were not suppose to touch the dead. (The flesh had died) John 20:17Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Jesus had not transformed back into his spiritual body. Jesus went from flesh to spirit while when man dies his flesh dies but his soul lives on.
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The rich man 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
So the soul lives but the man/flesh is dead
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Golfer.. Greetings to you and to yours! I ask that you at least ponder what I am saying, research it and then agree or disagree. If the soul of man is in his blood, isn't it logical then that when the body dies, then so would the blood? Therefore, I find it difficult to agree with you saying "when man dies his flesh dies but his soul lives on." Even without such knowledge, is it the "soul" (which can only be of the flesh) be taken back by GOD who is spirit and in heaven?
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Or, would it be the "spirit" which identifies you (and only you) which GOD takes back until the resurrection? When Jesus resurrected Lazarus, was it not Lazarus' own "spirit" (that connection to GOD) which GOD blew back into him? Ponder this and research, if you haven't already. I'm anxious to know what you find. Peace!
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Moreover, Golfer, I understand there are MANY who believe that the soul is immortal. I've had countless discussions with people who literally believe that the soul is continually reborn, reappearing in a new physical body after the previous body has died. Others believe that the soul will eventually pass on to a different realm, such as to heaven or to hell. However, what the Bible says is entirely different, or at least, from what I
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Cont'd>> have discovered. By what I have learned, the Bible does't attribute immortality to the soul. Fact of the matter is, the Bible often speaks of the soul as dying. The prophet Ezekiel, whom GOD used to write a portion of the Bible, stated that a soul can be punished with death. On another occasion, the Bible uses the term "dead soul" to describe a corpse. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote) Clearly, the Bible does not teach that the soul is immortal. Some people, as probably
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Cont'd>> some right here at this forum, believes that the soul animates the body while the person is alive but then departs at death. But the Bible says something different! Studying NOW, and taking from the King James Version, at Ezekiel 18:20 I learn "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." The New World Translation, "The sould that is sinning-it itself will die." At Genesis 46:18, Moses describes a mother as giving birth to "souls"—that is, living, breathing persons. In
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Cont'd>> fact, the Hebrew word used in the Bible for "soul" can be translated "a breather." Sometimes the term is even used to designate animals. Then, I find at Deuteronomy 12:20, "When the LORD thy GOD shall enlarge thy border, as HE hath promised thee, and thou shall say, I will eat flesh, because thy 'SOUL' longeth to eat flesh, thou mayest eat flesh, whenever thy 'SOUL' lusteth after.'" My understanding is if a soul were an entity separate from the body,
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Cont'd>> would it need to breathe or to eat? In the Bible the word "soul" most often refers to a complete living person, including the body, the emotions, and the personality. As surely as our bodies perish at death, Ecclesiastes 9:10 makes it clear to me that "there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave." NWT At Psalm 146:4, we are told that when someone dies, "he returns to the ground; on that very day his thoughts perish." The SOUL carries
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Cont'd>> the essence of who we are, individually. Therefore, at death, a dead soul is in a state of inactivity, and thus, the Scriptures often metaphorically refer to the dead as "sleeping" as Matthew 9:24 so states.
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Paul wrote to die is to gain by being with the Lord, Lazuras and the Rich-man were not asleep. And we we the body die it is back to dust, life blood is Jesus while out blood keeps us alive.
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Okinawa - Your points are well made & worthy of prayerful contemplation. Only by following after the Holy Spirit's guidance on this subject can any of us come into a PROPER & FULL comprehension of theses spiritual matters. I pray readers of this Forum will NOT dismiss your insight as impossible. Too many doctrines over simplify this subject & rush to conclusions that deeper, more thoughtful research prove WRONG. As a theologian who confers regularly with other inter-denominational theologians,
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I tend to agree with their consensus - which is fairly consistent with yours. PEACE!
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GOLFER - I must point out that the inclusion of parables (like the Lazarus/Bosom of Abraham) are NEVER to be referenced in the establishment of SOUND DOCTRINE. For a fuller understanding of this please read my Articles: The Soul @ mjthompsons.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/regarding-the-soul/ & The Rich Man & Lazarus @ mjthompsons.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/parable-of-the-rich-man-and-lazarus/ PEACE!
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@Okinawa1985 You have a point. Soul could be defined as essence, who we are. Now God has a ESSENCE. He has an NATURE. God has an "I" NESS i.e the unique characteristics that define who he is. The Bible tells us that God is love. The Bible tells us that God is truth. It tells us that He is life. It mentions His fruit (i.e His characteristics) in the book of Galatians. It differentiates those fruits from the lusts of the flesh. But then unlike man, whose "I" NESS or sense of self is derived from.
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.. Spirit, ( our souls are animated by spirit or in other words, our souls find expression from spirit meaning when we are dead, we no longer find expression)
God's sense of self or "I"ness is "itself" Spirit". Meaning God is Spirit/life, not a soul expression of Spirit/life. Jesus told the Jews "I (i.e I myself) am the bread of life. The Bible calls Christ the image of God (not made in the image of God like man) Christ is life & not a soul expressing life so God's nature is life itself.
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but man's nature is that of an empty dead soul that "expresses life" e.g when @okinawa1985 accepted Christ, he became a unique soul expression of life who is Christ. This could be likened to a bulb that has no light of its own but reflects light or the moon that has no light of its own but reflects the light of the sun. But when God incarnated as Christ, He was life itself expressing itself in our own soul/body form. Life took on our nature to show Himself to us. This could be likened..
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To the sun shining its rays to us. So yes you have a point when you say "(Jesus) the man once had a SOUL, but NOW has resumed HIS natural state in heaven, which is spirit? But in light of what I wrote above, I would rephrase it thus "(Jesus) the Spirit who is life took on the form of SOUL (and body), but NOW has resumed HIS natural state in heaven, which is spirit.
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Soul= Dark, lacking light, empty, the mirror or receptacle of light. God "breathed" the breath (spirit) of life "into" man (Gen 2:7) i.e there was "no" breath in man prior to God breathing into Him, the breath was "in"troduced into Him
Spirit= Light, Truth. The life/light is His nature. The sun rays belong to the sun. They are not introduced into it. They come from it
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To all those in this thread.
I supplied scripture for God having a Soul in my main comment above.
GO TO THE LINKS I PROVIDED TO SEE THE SCRIPTURES.

Take notice of this . . . . .

Jesus Christ has a Soul.
Jesus Christ is God, therefore Jesus' Soul is God's Soul.
All scriptures mentioning Jesus Christ's Soul are talking about God's Soul.

The Soul is where emotions come from.
The Soul is our spiritual image.
God's Soul is God's Spiritual Image.

The Soul is NOT the Spirit.
2 different parts.
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01. Lev 26:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

02. Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

03. Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

04. Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

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05. Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

06. Jer 5:9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

07. Jer 5:29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

08. Jer 6:8 Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited.

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09. Jer 9:9 Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

10. Jer 14:19 Hast thou utterly rejected Judah? hath thy soul lothed Zion? why hast thou smitten us, and there is no healing for us? we looked for peace, and there is no good; and for the time of healing, and behold trouble!

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11. Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

12. Zec 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

13. Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
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Those were scriptures saying God has a Soul.
These scriptures relate to Jesus Christ's Soul specifically.

01. Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

02. Psa 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

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03. Pro 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.
THE TRUE WITNESS THAT DELIVERETH SOULS IS CHRIST JESUS.
THIS VERSE IS SPEAKING OF MAN’S SOUL, AND ALSO CHRIST’S SOUL.

04. Ecc 2:24 There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.

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05. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

06. Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

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07. Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

08. Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

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09. Mat 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

10. Mar 14:34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.

11. Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

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12. Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

13. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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14. 1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
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I added a couple of verses which appear to apply only to created humanity, but once you KNOW that Jesus is God, and you KNOW that God has a Soul, and you KNOW that Jesus Christ's Soul is God's Soul, then those scriptures become clear and you see how it fits this great puzzle of God's existence.

The 2 scriptures I'm talking about are the 2 scriptures for Christ, numbers 04 & 14.
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I also added number 13 to show that the soul and spirit are 2 different things.
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HERE ARE THE LINKS AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO MISSED THEM !

http://JESUSisGOD.com/GodsCharacter/GodsSoul.htm

http://JESUSisGOD.com/ChristsCharacter/ChristsSoul.htm
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@SaintlyMic, You did "well" to provide scriptures that show that God has a soul (or God is soul) and I tend to agree with you "in a way." You have a point when you claim that the soul is where the emotions come from but I would also add that not only do the emotions come from the soul, the soul is the emotions or the i i.e the self. It is the distinct you. The you that feels, knows and experiences. The Bible tells us in Eze 18:4 that the soul that sins shall die. The soul is what died when..
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Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden. The body appeared to be alive but the soul was dead. When writing the name God, we usually capitalize the G but when referring to the Israelites in Psalm 82:6, the Bible used a small g. This is done to show the allness, totality and self sufficiency of God and our limitations and dependency on Him. God has emotions, life and thought but God's emotions emanate from His own nature. We have emotions but our emotional (soul) nature is derived from God..
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...meaning we are dependent on his spirit which is why Psalm 104:3 tells us "You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;... We need God's spirit to exist i.e we are dependent on God to exist. We are soul expressions of God. But God is life itself. God has always existed because life is eternal. When we express life i.e spirit, we express God but when God expresses life He is expressing Himself. The Bible tells us in 1 cor 15:45 the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening spirit...
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The word quickening means life giving. Jesus is a spirit that gives life. But we (the new creation in Christ) are only partakers of that life who is Christ. We share in Christ's life (breath) even John 4:24 tells us boldly: God is Spirit. God is spirit or life that enlivens (gives life to) the inert. But we are the inert souls that express the life. So while I agree with you that God has an emotional,i.e feeling nature, while I agree that God has a distinct self with distinct...
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..characteristics and while I also agree that Jesus "took on" soul form when he incarnated, I would cautiously claim that God is soul because God's emotions are God's nature. They are not dependent on anyone. The sun's rays belong to the sun. They are its nature When God reveals truth, He reveals Himself. But when man i.e soul reveals truth (who is Christ) He does not reveal Himself, He reveals Spirit who is God.
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So I agree that God has an emotional "I" nature with distinct characteristics that we can use identify him. e.g We can differentiate btw the fruits of God and the fruits of the devil but I would prefer to call that I nature spirit because spirit expresses itself but soul expresses spirit. Blessings.
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for "dust thou art", and unto dust. ye shall return "Gen 3:19 (Notice: not dust your body is but dust "you" are)
Before I go, I think it is best that I indulge your thinking a bit. The Bible tells us that the soul i.e who we are was made from the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7). meaning the soul is dust/ground/earthly natured.( Unlike God's Spirit that is heavenly) Now, if it is true that we ( i.e who we are) soul and if it is also true that God is also soul then doesn't that mean that..
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.. God is also dust of the earth (which soul is)? and if God is dust of the earth just like we are doesn't that tell you that when God as Jesus died on the cross, He ought to have returned to the earth? Just like all souls do?
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 12:7
Ecc 12:7 tells us that after death, Spirit (which is life) returns to the God that gave it (i.e the animating principle) and the dust who we are returns to the..
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ground. Now if God is both Spirit and soul doesn't that tell you that Jesus who you call the soul part of God would have become separated from the Father or Spirit part of God when he died? But Acts 2:24 tells us that "it was "not possible" that he should be holden of death" Jesus is life. Life cannot die.But we are "dusty" (i.e earthly minded) dead souls meaning we without Christ, we are dead (Eph 2:1). The Bible makes a clear distinction btw Adam and Christ.
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It calls Christ the heavenly man and Adam the earthly man (1 cor 15:48) So unlike the soul man Adam, Christ is "not" dust neither was he taken from dust. He is uncreated and heavenly life which all the creation express which is why God tells us to pray thus thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Repentant earthly souls reflect Jesus who is Heavenly. But Adam was "taken from" dust. He is dust or earth i.e soul with natural dusty i.e earthy desires and appetites
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He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill "all" things. Eph 4:10
Jesus the is the universal Spirit that will fill "all" regenerated and repentant things after this world of sin ends. But we are the souls i.e the creation that will be filled.
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So while I "perfectly" agree that God has a distinct i.e unique nature and possesses emotions, I am cautious about referring to Him soul because it would give the impression that Father i.e Spirit and Jesus are separate persons. It would also give the impression that Jesus is a mere reflector of God's life and not God Himself. Jesus is Himself life (1 John 1:2) and Jesus is Himself Spirit and Jesus is Himself the substance that we the shadow or souls reflect.
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Let me show you something . . .

God exists spiritually having a Mind, Soul, and Spirit.

God's Mind = The Father.
God's Soul = The Son.
God's Spirit = The Holy Spirit.

God does NOT exist as 3 persons.
God exists spiritually having 3 spiritual parts.

It was God's Soul, or Son, that BECAME flesh.
The Father and the Holy Spirit did NOT become flesh.

Colossians 2:9 KJV
9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Soul is NOT dust.
Our flesh is dust.
Our souls are NOT dust.
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We exist as both spiritual AND physical beings.
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We are created in the image and likeness of God.
God's Likeness is His Soul.
God existed as a purely spiritually being before He BECAME flesh.
So, God's Soul is NOT dust, and this means our souls are NOT dust.
Our flesh is dust.
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Godhead
(This does NOT say God exists as 3 persons)
G2304
θεῖος
theios
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From G2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity): - divine, godhead.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

Acts 17:29 KJV
29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

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Godhead
(This does NOT say God exists as 3 persons)
G2305
θειότης
theiotēs
thi-ot'-ace
From G2304; divinity (abstractly): - godhead.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Romans 1:20 KJV
20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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Godhead
(This does NOT say God exists as 3 persons)
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θεότης
theotēs
theh-ot'-ace
From G2316; divinity (abstractly): - godhead.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Colossians 2:9 KJV
9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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Our curse of sin goes to the depths of our soul, not just the flesh.
We do war against the flesh and the sin in our souls.
Until Jesus raptures us up at the First Resurrection we will live in our sinful flesh AND our sinful souls.
Jesus' blood covers all that we are, Mind, Soul, Spirit, AND flesh.
However, our flesh is deceitfully wicked and this is why even though we are saved our flesh dies.
If you are not BORN AGAIN not only does your flesh die, but your soul also dies and is sent to hell.
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YOU MUST BECOME BORN AGAIN !

HOW DO YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN ?

http://www.jesusisgod.com/Blog/questions/question/how-do-you-become-born-again/
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@SaintlyMic, The Bible "never" stated that the flesh is dust. The Bible only tells us that the body i.e the flesh is an earthen vessel. (2 Cor 4:7) It also calls the Body the temple (residence) of the Holy Spirit. In fact, 2 Cor 5:21 tells us thus of the body "For we know that if our earthly tabernacle house be destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." The body i.e the flesh is a mere tabernacle that we (souls) live in temporarily while..
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we are on earth. It is simply a temporal place of residence for our souls which is why Peter tells us in 2 Pet 1:14 "Knowing that shortly I must put off "this my tabernacle," even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me" and since the Bible is very clear that the body is only a mere tabernacle which we live in while we are in this world, in eternal terms, the body cannot be described as a we or an i. In eternal terms, your body is not you.
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It is only the vessel that souls use to experience this world of sin and the Bible told us in clear terms that God created Adam (not Adam's flesh) from the dust of the earth. It "never: claimed that God made Adam's body (or flesh) from the dust of the earth. Besides, The Bible is clear that flesh and blood "cannot: inherit the kingdom of God (1 cor 15:50) and since Adam and Eve lived in God's kingdom of perfection prior to the fall, they couldn't have been flesh and blood when they were in..
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God's kingdom because flesh and blood can never inherit or inhabit God's kingdom, they were spiritual souls made in God's image.
so on that basis Im gonna have to quash your point "The Soul is NOT dust." Our flesh is dust:
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You might not realize it but Your statement "God's Mind = The Father.God's Soul = The Son. God's Spirit = The Holy Spirit." tends to divide God into 3 parts. God is not 3. God is one. For example you write "God's Spirit = The Holy Spirit." But the Bible tells us of Jesus in 1 John 1:2 "..eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;" It also tells us in John 4:24 God is Spirit. It also calls Christ a life giving spirit (1 cor 15:45) I hope you can see that your..
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..statement God's Spirit= Holy Spirit contradicts the fact that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. God the Father=God the Son= God the Holy Spirit. They are the same person. God tells us he that hath seen me hath seen my Father. I am my Father. Peter refers to the Spirit that dwelt in the Prophets as the Spirit of Christ (what the old testament referred to as the Holy Spirit) Don't get me wrong, I" perfectly" understand why you decided to split God into parts. I told you yesterday that...
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...you had a point but splitting God into parts implies that what you call the soul mind and Spirit of God are different. But I am trying to show you that they are the same thing. For example, we humans are spirit, soul and body. Now if we were to beat humans back into their earliest elements, dust will go back to dust which is ground, spirit will go back to spirit which is God. Body will corrupt just like this earth corrupts (i.e is vanity) Right now, we are body, soul and spirit...
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but at death we become only soul. The body corrupts and spirit departs from us because it is a gift from the God that gave it (which is meant to last a lifetime). But you can "never" beat God back into elements of soul, spirit and what you refer to as mind because God is eternal. He always is. God cannot be separated from God. God is always God. The sun's rays belong to the sun. They are its rays. Its essence and they will always be its essence. It is the same with God. Jesus is Spirit..
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God is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is Spirit. Jesus is all that God is and all that God will ever be. "For in Him dwells the fulness of the godhead bodily" Col 2:9 The totality of God is found in Christ. He is not a subdivision of God. He is the totality of God made manifest to man.
So that is the reason why I told you that I have reservations about referring to God as soul. Your argument that God has emotions is correct. He has a Self. But that self is eternal, un-derived and un-created.
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It cannot be subdivided like man's nature can be. When Christ is in you, God is in you and the Holy Spirit is in you. When Christ is in you, all the aspects of God are automatically accessible to you. But my soul without my spirit (i.e the spirit that God gave me) is dead. My body can be separated from my soul. So like I stated to you and @Okinawa1985 previously, I "agree" that God has a nature but unlike in the case of man, God's nature is indivisible which is why I prefer to call Him Spirit.
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But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the "Spirit of Christ," he is none of his. Rom 8:9
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Finally I hope that you realize that your statement "We are created in the image and likeness of God." only applies to our progenitors in the garden of Eden. It "doesn't" apply now. They were created in God's image but they fell and now we have been recreated in the image of their sin "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the "flesh and of the mind;" and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Eph 2:3
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As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.1 Cor 15:48
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WE ARE ALSO FLESH.

We don't just live IN our flesh; we ARE our flesh.
The flesh is a part of what we are and who we are.

Genesis 6:3 KJV
3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

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@SaintlyMic We are "not" flesh. We are soul. Flesh is the clothing/covering of the soul which is who we really are :"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh... Job 10:11. The verse that you quoted (Gen 6:3) is speaking about the fallen state of the soul i.e when the soul is incarnate in the body of flesh. In my answer to the original question, I wrote " It (i.e the body) could be likened to a container (body) which holds water (soul) i.e gives it shape. Water usually takes on the shape...
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of the container that it is put inside. In like manner when soul incarnates "inside" the body, it identifies with it. " When soul is in the tabernacle/house of the body it identifies with it meaning body is how we identify soul in the material world. Besides, the verse is very clear "his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." The flesh is condemned to perish (1 Pet 1:24-25) but after the flesh perishes, the soul (who you are) lives on eternally (if you are in Christ).
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Jesus tells us what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul Your soul is your essence. It is what will remain when the body ceases and the spirit departs (i.e the cessation of the body) and it is the substance that Jesus saves i.e gives eternal life (which is Himself) to.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 1 Pet 1:24
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Genesis 6:3 KJV
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:

John 1:1,3,10,14 KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word (JESUS CHRIST), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
3 All things were made by him (JESUS); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
10 He (JESUS) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
14 And the Word (JESUS) was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
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@SaintlyMic, I don't understand why you quoted the verses above but if you quoted them to prove that man and Jesus are flesh, then I would boldly tell you that they fall way short of doing that. God clearly tells us why He was "not" going to strive with man in the 1st verse that you quoted (Gen 6:3) "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: God will not strive with the fleshy carnal man. The one who is attached to the flesh and its lusts.
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There is a "big" difference btw "Man is flesh" and My spirit shall not strive with man "for that he is also flesh". The verse is "very" self explanatory. I wont strive with man "because" he is flesh meaning if man were spirit (or tending towards the spiritual), God would strive with Him or in other words, God will seek to restrain his carnality or 'fleshiness'. The Bible tells us that if we are without God's chastening we are bastards and not sons. God does not restrain or chasten..
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or strive with those who tend towards the flesh. It was the same during the days of Noah, the Bible tells us in the preceding verses of Gen 6 that the sons of God mingled with the daughters of men (corruption) and that was the reason why God pronounced the judgment on them so try to take scripture in its context. Stop trying to weave it to fit into your agenda. You quoted And the Word (JESUS) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, John 1:14
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..If you actually read the verse carefully, you would have realized that the Bible tells us that the word "was made" flesh. It didnt say the word is flesh. The Bible tells us that God made Jesus to become sin who knew no sin. It tells us in the book of Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Jesus took on the form or nature of flesh. Jesus is "not flesh" He was only made like flesh. But now he is no longer flesh. He has...
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..conquered flesh. He is now Spirit "the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening (life giving) spirit. 1 or 15:45. I think even common sense should tell you that we are not flesh. When you die, what happens to your body? Arent the graves of your loved ones and the that people you know still in your midst? What happened to their remains? Havent they been corrupted? The Bible itself tells you that we inherit eternal life What do you think inherits eternal life? Do you think it is the body..
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....that corrupts/disintegrates? Even the Bible tells us in 1 cor 15:44 "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." There is a natural body (flesh) and there is a spiritual body (which we inherit in Christ) So lets not debate unnecessarily over issues that have been settled in the Bible. You are not your flesh. You only feel and experience this world/reality through it.
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Jesus tells us in John 11:26 He that lives and believes in me shall "never" die. But the bodies of Paul, Peter, Andrew, James, John Tozer, Finney etc are dead and have long been degraded. Going by your argument, that we are bodies, Jesus was lying when he made that claim. Paul, Peter and all the other apostles and Prophets are alive and can never die just like Jesus said. Their bodies died/degraded but their souls (which is who they really are) live on eternally.
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Our flesh will be resurrected, if we die, and we will be caught up IN THE FLESH, whether we be dead or alive, at the First Resurrection.

What you are doing, BERRINTON, is trying to make people believe that the flesh is nothing, and that it has no importance.
You are also trying to teach that we are only souls, and that our flesh is only a vessel to hold our souls.

I supplied John 1:14 to show you that both God and the scriptures say in THAT verse that we are not just souls.

CONTINUED . . .
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We are NOT just souls.
We are also flesh, just as Genesis 6:3 says, and just as God says.
John 1:14 tells us that not only was Jesus Christ God, but that God BECAME flesh.
So, God was not just Spirit.
God BECAME flesh!
So, there is importance with the flesh.
Spirit, Soul, and Flesh are all important.

God exists in the spirit having a Mind, Soul, and Spirit.

God's Mind = The Father.
God's Soul = The Son.
God's Spirit = The Holy Spirit.

It was the Son, or God's Soul, that BECAME flesh.
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@Saintlymic, Stop living in the world of your fantasies and stop denying the obvious. You (your essence) are not flesh and its very ridiculous to continue admitting that you are despite Biblical and common sense proof to the contrary. Every realistic person knows that their flesh does not survive past the grave. It corrupts. It degrades. It can "never" be resurrected because it disintegrates. Common sense should tell you that The flesh of your great great great great great great ...
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great grandfather has "totally" disntegrated. It is not flesh anymore. It is the soul that is eternal. The flesh does "not" survive past this world. Even the Bible tells us that all flesh is as grass. Grass like the body withers away. But the soul is eternal.
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The Bible tells us that flesh and blood "cannot" inherit the kingdom of God but you stubbornly keep holding unto the false view we you are flesh. If I asked you to produce the flesh of Paul the Apostle can you do so? Do you even know where his grave is?
And I am not claiming that the flesh is not important. I was very clear that the flesh is how we are identified in this world of space and time. The Bible itself is clear that we must all stand before the judgement seat of Christ that...
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everyone may receive the deeds they have done in "their body" (flesh) 2 Cor 5:10. So my point is "not" that the flesh is not important. My point is "the flesh is not a you or an i." It is a temporal vessel or container or tabernacle that holds the soul you and i in this world and we must all put it off like Peter "Knowing that shortly I must put off "this my tabernacle," even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me" 2 Pet 1:14
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I doubt very much that you cogitated carefully before you wrote. The Bible says that God became flesh. It didn't say that God is flesh. What do you understand by the word became? Please check your dictionary. God is not flesh. God "became" (took on the form of) flesh in order to save you from sin. And the Bible is clear that He is no longer flesh " though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Cor 5:16..
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Jesus tells He tells us that he will be with Christians/His disciples forever. Can you see Jesus with your physical eyes? The obvious answer is no. Why cant you see Him since you claim that he is flesh? The answer is staring you in the eyes yet you close your eyes to it. Christ is not body. He is Spirit that lives in the heart. HE IS SPIRIT that cannot be seen with the eyes of flesh but can be perceived with the spiritual eyes in the heart.
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Finally, you don't seem to understand the implication of your statement Jesus is the soul. If you did, you wouldn't dare state it. If Jesus is soul, then it means that when Jesus died on the cross, God was incomplete i.e he lacked His soul part. The Bible calls Jesus the wisdom of God (1 cor 1:24). If it is true that Christ is the wisdom of God, then it means that God lacked wisdom for 3 days until Jesus rose from the grave. God is indivisible. The whole of God is in every so called part of God.
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and every so called part of God is in the whole of God so you cant divide God into bits. Jesus is the fulness of God (Col 2:9) He is not a portion of God. The Holy Spirit is the fulness of God. He is not merely a portion of God. The Father is the fulness of God. He is not a mere portion of God. Ice is water under certain conditions. Steam is water under certain conditions. They are the same water taking on different forms. In the same way the father the son and the holy spirit are the same ..
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person taking on different forms and God cannot be differentiated into parts because he is eternal. i.e has no beginning and therefore, he has "always been one"
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And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, "even as we are one": John 17:21
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http://JESUSisGOD.com/PROPHECYCHART.htm
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Greetings, everyone.. and PEACE to you and YOURS! With regards to BERRINTON and SaintlyMic's discussion: I've come to know that even the simplest things to understand are difficult, when the mind does all the reasoning. Hint: The soul and body (flesh) are lost when they are sent to the Fires of Gehena at the second death. BERRINTON, I strongly agree with your teaching! Only the spirit survives, for it belong 'always' to GOD!!
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@Okinawa1985, Greetings. I'm glad that we both agree that man (i.e the composition of man) splits into 3 after death. However, I would love to state that the body (the flesh) is "not" sent to the fires of Gehenna at the second"death. The body dies only once (Heb 9:27) and it corrupts. At death, all the vital organs in the body i.e the kidney, the liver and heart, the brain etc deteriorate and eventually disintegrates.
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The body itself decomposes and eventually disintegrates. Science tells us that about 300 million cells die and are replaced every minute in our bodies . Red blood cells live for about four months, Skin cells live about two or three weeks. Sperm cells have a life span of only about three days. what all this means is that our bodies are constantly dying and being replaced every time so the body is not a you or a me. It is a constantly changing vessel that holds the me or the soul
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(just like the waters of Lake tahoe which constantly change but are "always "collectively referred to as the lake tahoe, your body is a vessel of cells that are constantly changing but are always collectively referred to as you ) So once the body dies, it disintegrates. Because the physical world is a shadow of the spiritual world, this disintegration could be "likened"to what happens to our souls in gehenna or hell. When fire consumes your body, it totally disintegrates
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i.e turns to ashes. When death consumes your body, it will disintegrate i.e become earth. Also spiritually, when the fires of death i.e hell consumes your soul, it's ability to transmit life or spirit will be eternally destroyed. But unlike the physical world where physical fire consumes physical corruptible things i.e things that can perish, the spiritual fire that consumes the soul and the soul itself are eternal principles so the soul cannot perish and the fire cannot stop burning it.
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So the torment is eternal because the soul cannot disintegrate.
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:48
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So the body is a series of constantly changing cells that house the you or the i. Despite the fact that your body is constantly dying and changing. your sense of "i ness" has not changed. You are still you (i.e the soul that is housed in the cells). The same @okinawa1985 who was once a boy, a young man, a newly wed man, a father etc.
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Understood, my friend! I was merely drawing attention to what I believe Jesus was referring to with regards to losing both "body and soul." .. complete destruction.. or the "soul that sinneth" being cut off. My interpretation of "cut off" is complete destruction!
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Ok I see what you mean. We shall all lose/shed our bodies but only those who are "outside" Christ will lose their souls or their selves. And yes, I agree that the soul that sins shall die/be destroyed (i.e be "cut off" from God's life). I gave a "very" detailed explanation of the soul because I wanted to demonstrate the eternal nature of the soul and why its torment or destruction lasts for all eternity. I didn't want to give the impression that the souls torment could cease.
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When the body dies, the maggots and worms (nematodes) feed on it until it decays and after it decomposes, they abandon it and move elsewhere but when the soul without Christ dies, the 'worms' "never" die and never cease feeding on it because unlike the body which eventually disintegrates i.e ceases to be, the soul is an eternal principle that "cannot" be disintegrated and therefore, the feeding is eternal.
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:48
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So the soul without Christ is subjected to an everlasting torment i.e destruction
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The body is not a you or an I so its destruction has "no" effect on the you or the I. But since the soul "is" the you or the I, its destruction in Gehenna or Hell has an effect on the you or the I. So it is the soul or the I that undergoes torment. After death, the body is on its own. i.e is abandoned (is shed) but the soul or the I undergoes torment. e.g the decomposition of the bodies of Apostle Paul and Peter had no effect on their souls.

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Many fine ANSWERS have been posted before this response, so rather than risking needless redundancy, I offer this LINK to a concise Scriptural insight on the subject @ mjthompsons.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/regarding-the-soul/. Peace!
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I was hoping you would commit on the soul vs the flesh
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'commit' or 'comment'? If you read the Article I provided a LINK to, you would receive my comment regarding the DIFFERENCES between the 'soul' & the 'flesh' according to my in-depth research of what Scripture says on the topic. Peace!
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I already have read it, thanks it is a great article/study.
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Sorry about that.
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It was intended for BERRINTON.
This site won't let me post it again.

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Greetings, Golfer.. and to you and all.. Peace to YOU and YOURS! More than likely, there will be some (perhaps even MOST) who will disagree with me when I say, the 'soul' and the 'spirit' are the two primary immaterial aspects that Scripture ascribes to humanity. Keep in mind, when I use the word 'spirit,' I'm not talking about the HOLY Spirit! It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two (spirit and soul). The word SPIRIT refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26), while unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). In Paul's writing, the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer (1 Corinthians 2:14; 3:1; Ephesians 1:3; 5:19; Colossians 1:9; 3:16).
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The SPIRIT is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with GOD. Whenever the word SPIRIT is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that CONNECTS with GOD, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24). NOW, what I believe so many misunderstand (due to misinterpretation) is that the word SOUL can refer to both the immaterial and material aspects of humanity. Unlike human beings having a spirit, human beings are souls (ourselves).
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In its most basic sense, the word SOUL means LIFE. However, beyond this essential meaning, the Bible speaks of the SOUL in many contexts. One of these is mankind's eagerness to commit SIN (Luke 12:26). As unfortunate as it may seem, due to the SIN of Adam, Mankind (human beings) are naturally evil, and our SOULS are stained as a result. The life principle of the SOUL is removed at the time of physical death (Genesis 35:18; Jeremiah 15:2). The SOUL, as with the SPIRIT,
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Cont'd>> is the center of many spiritual and emotional experiences (Job 30:25; Psalm 43:5; Jeremiah 13:17). Whenever the word SOUL is used, it can refer to the whole person, whether alive or in the afterlife. But, unlike some, when I refer to 'afterlife' I do NOT speak in terms of any reincarnation. I refer strictly in relations to DEATH and the RESURRECTION! In summary, the SOUL and the SPIRIT are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). Therefore, making the SOUL the essence
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Cont'd>> of mankind's very being, that is to say, it is who we are. And, the SPIRIT is the aspect of mankind that connects with GOD.
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Friend Okinawa, long time no talk to. You are absolutely correct that the spirit and soul are separate. Excellent!

There is a great difference between the soul and the spirit, and the soul can be divided and should be divided from the spirit. Moreover, 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 shows us that unless the soul is subdued by the spirit and submissive to the spirit, the soul is against the spirit and contradicts the spirit.
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These verses say, “But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually. But the spiritual man discerns all things, but he himself is discerned by no one.” Soulish implies the meaning of natural or psychological. A soulish man is a natural man, a man living in the soul. The soul is absolutely impotent in spiritual matters.
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So friends, a soulish man, and the soul itself, cannot understand or receive the spiritual things & even considers the spiritual things foolish. A spiritual man, however, discerns the spiritual things and likes to receive the spiritual things. It is by the spirit that we understand and discern the spiritual things, and it is in the spirit that we desire to have the spiritual things. If we are soulish, we cannot understand the spiritual things, we do not like anything spiritual, and
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we even think that the spiritual things are foolish. Thus, the soul itself is a contradiction to the spirit. We can realize this by our experiences in life and even see them in what we read including things found here on this site.
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Well done brothers, Okinawa & Comptu!
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Always a pleasure my friend.

I have a couple of weeks to prepare a new Bible study plan and found myself here perhaps searching for ideas, themes, issues of the day or I don't know. But I do know I was led.
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comptu, MJ.. Peace my friends and brothers.. Peace to you and to Yours! Yes, comptu it has been a long time. But our voices shout loud and clear now, for GOD has granted us another day above ground. Another day of learning for me, and I'm sure you and MJ feel the same. Comptu and MJ, where I once believed GOD and Jesus were separate, literally, it is for sure in my Heart they bound together as ONE. It was to the MANIFESTATION I was confused.
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Therefore, if all scripture is accurate, then it is for certain it is the manifestation that has solved the confusion that was in me. Peace, always!
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Amen! Praise the Lord. I'm teering up over here. God is Good. So very Good.
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Cal, so good to receive your testimony of receiving personal revelation! God indeed is great & you serve as an example to ALL who read this forum that diligent study & commitment to truth, while maintaining integrity & appropriate tolerance for some disagreement, following the Holy Spirit's guidance, ALWAYS leads to better comprehension. By nature, spiritual manifestations are NOT so easily properly recognized. But to those who look intently into such matters, truth is revealed (Ac.11:6). Peace!

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Hello friend, "our fight isn't against flesh and blood." That's in Ephesians 6:12. It refers to spiritual warfare & explains the tools to battle the powers not of this world.

Whether the war is with soul vs. flesh, comes down to “The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.” “Spirit” refers to the soul of man or mind. “Flesh” refers to the human body and nature, with its moral and physical frailties. We know the right thing to do before God but fail to do it.

Yes, Jesus saves us. He cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God. We have a natural inclination to sin; given the choice to do God’s will or our own, we will naturally choose to do our own thing. Satan is always working to present us with a sinfully bad choices which appear to be good to us at the time, making God's Will less appealing to us. Satan is the embodiment of sin and is our enemy. Our war is with him and his followers.
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Your soul is who you are. Your flesh is a temporary container for your soul. All animals live by survival instinct according to how their flesh is made. Humans are supposed to live by the Spirit of God but because of sin, humans are controlled by demonic worldly spirits that cause destruction. Only through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can humans be set free from demonic spirits and the control of the flesh, and be brought into right relationship with God and have His Spirit leading you as you were created to live. When your soul departs this body of flesh, you will go wherever the spirit goes that is leading you. If you are led by the Spirit of Christ, you will go to God in Heaven where there is perfect peace and love and joy forever. If you are led by demonic spirits and the flesh, then you will go to Hell where the demons torment souls forever in an eternal lake of fire.
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1. "God" is the name of a pagan deity. Our Creator's name is Yahuwah (yah-hoo-WAH).
2. There is no such person as "Jesus Christ." Our Savior is Yahushua (yah-hoo-shoo-AH) the Anointed of Yahuwah. If "Jesus" is the only name whereby we may be saved, then none of the apostles or anyone else who lived before the 17th century had salvation.
3. Hell is not forever (see Rev. 20:14).
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The Apostles that wrote the bible called him iesous. You don't believe the bible. You have invented your own religion.
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No. The Greeks called Him Iesous. I have invented nothing. I do believe the "bible" in its original languages, not the terrible translations we have on hand today. Maybe you should start looking at the original languages too. You will be surprised at what you will discover. That is where the real truth resides.
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God isn't a name. The God who’s free to do anything has chosen to be our God! He created us and then sent Jesus to redeem us.

Yeshua Hamashiach means “Jesus the Messiah.” The name Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua, which is the shortened form of the name Yehoshua. From this Hebrew word we also get the name Joshua (Joshua 5:15) or Hoshea (Numbers 13:8; Deuteronomy 33:44). The name means “salvation” and is found more than often throughout the OT.
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Friend, there is nothing complicated here and nothing to get upset about. Here is an example: My name is Richard. From that name, we get Rich, Rick, Richy, Ricky, Dick and Dicky. In Spanish, RIchard is Ricardo and there are many other translations which reflect the name Richard. Robert is bob and Anthony is Tony etc.
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Friend, I almost forgot. Your number 2 statement is in reference to Acts 4:8-12. This was written in 90 AD and Phil 2:5-11 which was written between 49 AD and 51 AD. I have no idea where you got 17th Century. The statement is completely false. Even the thief on the cross was told that, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." And, of course the apostles were sent out to tell the Good News which is found in John 3:16-17 in a nutshell.
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Friend, the Bible says that Jesus has “the keys of hell and of death,” showing that he has the authority to release people from the death brought by Adam’s sin. Revelation 1:18; 20:13, however, neither Jesus nor anyone else has a key to the lake of fire. That symbolic lake represents eternal punishment in the form of permanent destruction.—2 Thessalonians 1:9. These are two different things, hell and lake of fire.
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You need to do more study. My web page is at www.considerthis.net. There you may learn some things that will lead you to the truth.

The letter "J" did not come into the English language until the 16th century (my mistake). It or its sound does not exist in any of the scriptural languages.

About the keys, maybe your English translation says that. The underlying words do not. Look it up. Also "Yeshua" is a shortened form of Yahushua and is His name.
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If you do not have a love for the truth Yahuwah will send you strong delusion that you may believe the lie. Satan has told all the denominations, catholic and protestant, a lie and their members have fallen for it.

I bet you think "Sunday" is the "sabbath."
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Friend, this is what I do in life. The fact is, there is no Biblical evidence that God must be called only by His Hebrew names and titles. There is no Biblical or linguistic evidence that prohibits the use of English names and titles for God. If Almighty God only wanted us to use the HEBREW names for God for example, then we would expect that the writers of the New Testament would have inserted the Hebrew names for God whenever they mentioned Him! But they do not do so.
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Gee what have we hear the Tower of Babble? I see a battle of the flesh over words when the spirit says we should submit to the Word of God, Jehovah etc. don't you think God knows your heart when you cry out to Him? We are saved by faith and that is faith in what? God's Word, Jesus is Gods Word made flesh. The Sabbath is what we call Saturday. But is the Sabbath from Saturday night to Sunday Night? Or Friday night to Sat Night?
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Not one book of the New Testament has been preserved in Hebrew -- only in Greek. This is prima facie evidence that one language is not necessarily any "holier" than another, and that it is NOT wrong to use the forms of God's name as they would translate from the Hebrew or Greek.

Those who insist on using only one translation of names of God are straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel! Nowhere does the Bible tell us that it is wrong to use the names of God in Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, etc.
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But now that we are in Gods rest isn't everyday a holy day because we are no longer under the Law.
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Pearls before swine! I can see that I am wasting my time talking to you. All I can say is that all of you need open your eyes to what scripture says and not what some man says it says. I gave my web page link above. If you want answers to your questions you will find them there.
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Friend, Tower of Babble? No. More of an iron sharpening an iron, I hope. Scripture is clear. Jesus has already paid the price of sin which He did not do. That price was death. But, not being a sinner, death had no claim on Him and therefore God raised Him from the dead. Through Him, the Son of God, Mighty God, Jesus, we have Salvation. and Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
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that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Friend Golfer, yes we are under a new covenant but we do not neglect the lessons of the previous covenants. Mosaic Covenant was a bilateral, conditional, covenant. God promised blessings when His people kept His covenant and curses when they didn't. New Covenant is a series of promises that God made to Israel and Judah, promises which are unchangeable and irreversible, since they are sealed by God’s oath. These promises make the New Covenant superior to the Old Covenant and is thus replaced.
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Friend, The New Covenant should not be new to the student of Scripture. Not infrequently, it is the subject of Old Testament prophecy: Isaiah 59:21, Isaiah 61:4-8, Jeremiah 32:36-41, Ezekiel 16:60-63, Ezekiel 36:22-28, Ezekiel 37:24-28, Other than the passages we find in Hebrews, there are also a number of texts in the New Testament pertaining to the New Covenant: Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Galatians 3:15-17, Galatians 4:24-26, THE BETTER PROMISES OF THE NEW COVENANT HEB. 8:8-12; JER.31:31
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Learn to rightly divide the word of truth and then talk to me.
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By the Tower of Babble I mean you are saying basically saying the same thing in different languages.
That is why the Bible in not for any one person interpretation, which brings back my point we are fighting against the flesh (semantics) vs the Truth (Spiritual understanding). Isn't the only thing really important is the love of God and that Jesus is our savior, Lord and redeemer?
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Friend, the scripture is God's Word. But some of the interpretations derived from it are not. There are many cults and Christian groups that claim their interpretations are correct. Too often, however, the interpretations not only differ dramatically but are clearly contradictory. This does not mean that the Bible is a confusing document. Rather, the problem lies in those who interpret and the methods they use.
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Friend, because we are sinners, we are incapable of interpreting God's word perfectly all of the time. The body, mind, will, and emotions are affected by sin and make 100% interpretive accuracy impossible. This does not mean that accurate understanding of God's Word is impossible. But it does mean that we need to approach His word with care, humility, and reason. Additionally, we need, as best as can be had, the guidance of the Holy Spirit in interpreting God's Word.
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Friend, 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Many skeptics have complained that the Bible can't tell us anything of any real value because everyone interprets it differently. The reason why there are so many different interpretations is because people don't follow any sensible method. This naturally leads to inaccurate, inconsistent, illogical and naive interpretations.
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Friend, improper methodology in interpreting Scripture is nothing new, even in the first century. 2 Peter 3:16 tells us that mishandling the Word of God can be very dangerous. Indeed, mishandling the Word of God is a path to destruction. Contrary to the practices of some false teachers in Corinth, the apostle Paul assured his readers that he faithfully handled the Word of God, 2 Corinthians 4:2 Paul admonished young Timothy to follow his example in 2 Timothy 2:15.
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Friend, since the Bible teaches that God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33), how can the many disagreements today between Christians and the proliferation of the cults be explained since all, or nearly all, claim to use the Bible as the basis of their doctrines? Nearly all false doctrines taught today by Christians and cultists alike can be traced to the distortion of the meaning of Biblical words.
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Friend, lessons in Biblical Hermeneutics may be a good idea. Here is a good example: https://youtu.be/3iNuurfiwmg
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Friend cfc4847, I went to your site and I accept the challenge provided. First, the Recovery Version of the Bible is a direct English translation of the Scriptures, produced and published by Living Stream Ministries, part of the Local Church movement. The relationship between the Local Church and the Recovery Version of the Bible may or may not raise questions about its trustworthiness, depending on how one views this particular group.
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At the very least, one should be cautioned to treat the specific translations and footnotes of the Recovery Version with caution, if not a large dose of skepticism. most analysts would agree that it uses an extremely literal approach. From an objective standpoint, the text follows reasonably closely to accepted manuscripts of the Bible, with some editorial license in which ones to follow. In some cases, this results in the use of phrases that are nearly meaningless in English.
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The book also includes extensive footnotes—so many that they could be fairly described as a commentary. The Recovery Version has raised some caution flags over particular translated passages, as well as the content of these footnotes. The general opinion of Witness Lee’s theology is mixed, and the same goes for the content of the Recovery Version. Both feature confusing and sometimes contradictory accounts of doctrines such as the Trinity and human nature.
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Given that the Bible was not originally written in English, differences between various versions are not necessarily a problem. And, as compared to cult-specific efforts such as the New World Translation, the Recovery Version does not appear to have an overtly biased approach to translation. In fact, its stated purpose is to avoid such bias, resulting in sometimes overly literal phrasing. Then again, there are already English translations aimed at literalness, such as the NASB and the Amplified
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cfc487 - its been a long time since I recall reading your posts here, but obviously NOT long enough to manifest ANY proof that you listen to, or apply prudent counsel. AS I shared with you years ago (& Comptu again today) You are stuck on semantics ONLY relevant to the ENGLISH language. The fact that "J" wasn't included until the 17th century does NOTHING to disqualify ANY name of God used by ANY true believer in ANY century or language group! Leave the "Yahuwah" & Saturday Sabbath ONLY cult.
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Friend, given some of its widely noted flaws, it should be handled with caution and only in conjunction with other, less worrisome translations. Since this translation is the linchpin to the challenge, I dismiss it outright because it fails the tests for scriptural checking against scripture. Since there can never be biblical scriptural contradictions in God's Word, but the Recovery Version with its adherence to literal interpretations raises contradictions, I can easily dismiss it.
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Thank you, friend MJThompson. Long time and I affirm yet again that you speak the truth.
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Comptu, I am happy to testify on your behalf: wonderful spiritual growth is quite evident & an increasingly sound theology is being presented as the Lord is obviously ministering in & through you! SO good to hear from you again! May God's continued blessing & anointing be upon you & ALL those who 'hear' your 'voice'. Peace!
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For anyone sincere about properly discerning an appropriate Version, Translation. or Interpretation of Scripture a deeply researched Article posted to my Blog may provide helpful insight. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you while reading it @
mjthompsons.wordpress.com/translation-vs-interpretation/ PEACE!

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