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Does GOD Intervene In Human Affairs, Particularly Politics?


Greetings Everyone, and Peace to YOU and YOURS!
For a time, I often wondered if GOD actually interfered (on occasion) in various human affairs? When I was convinced that from time-to-time HE has, and in the same frequency still does, I am further convinced that HIS interventions are SELECTIVE, and are intended to offset the "balances of powers" that may directly conflict with HIS time-frame towards the finality of HIS recorded prophecies. Today, such intervention has become necessary to offset Satan's own interventions up to this point. Obviously, Satan is the 'god' and/or 'ruler' of this system.. we understand that! As the ruler, Satan's hands are always involved in our affairs, and NOT to our GOOD. Therefore, to keep us from destroying ourselves prior to GOD'S selective timetable, HE intervenes on our behalf to offset Satan's progressive measures. Trump, as well as all political parties, especially the Republican Party, though getting a small taste now, are soon to feel the full impact of GOD'S direct interventions. Treason and Impeachments will become the battle cries. PEACE!

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The Omnipotent Creator of the Universe knows what happened in the past, what is happening now, and what will happen in the future. On the day we are born, GOD has a completed biography of our life. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE DIVINE PLAN. NO ALTERATIONS ARE POSSIBLE. As for SATAN, his role is merely the ADMINISTRATOR OF HADES. HE CANNOT INTERFERE, OR INTERVENE IN ANY WAY, WITH GOD'S DIVINE PLAN.
THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH WAS PART OF GOD'S DIVINE PLAN.
THE QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING NOW, IS: "IS THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE HUMAN RACE PART OF GOD'S DIVINE PLAN?"
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"No alterations are possible?" In other words, humans are ROBOTS and have no CHOICES.
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Dear "mmerlinn".
Thank you for your comment.
For a start, THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT CREATE "ROBOTS" . HE CREATES HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE FREE TO CHOOSE HOW THEY WILL SPEND THEIR LIVES. THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO BE GOOD WILL BE REWARDED, AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO BE WICKED, WILL BE PUNISHED.
THIS FREE CHOICE IS GIVEN TO US FROM THE DAY WE ARE BORN.
GOD KNOWS HOW WE WILL SPEND OUR LIVES FROM THE DAY WE ARE BORN.
ONLY THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE HAS THIS ABILITY.
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Then your original assertion that "No alterations are possible" is false, since by definition "choice" requires alterations.
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Dear "mmerlin",
A perusal of THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR'S ATTRIBUTES. AND POWERS, WILL ENABLE YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN IS NOT SUBJECT TO ALTERATIONS.
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Greetings, Prophet, and Everyone else! Peace to you and YOURS. I believe that what is missed MOST when it comes to GOD'S Divine Plan, is the fact that from its beginning ONLY He, GOD, can alter it. MOST believe that once GOD put a plan into motion He will not alter that plan because He's the ONE who put it in motion, and GOD is never wrong! The “NEVER WRONG” aspect is correct, which tells me His “alterations” can never be wrong either.
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For instance, when GOD decided to destroy Sodom, Abraham bargained with GOD to spare Sodom if any “righteous” men could be found within its walls. GOD agreed, if any righteous could be found. This tells me that at that moment, GOD was open to “altering” His plan. Now, one can argue that the reason GOD was open to such alteration was because HE knew there were no righteous people to be found in Sodom. But wouldn't that be rather disingenuous on His part?
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I believe it would have been, since GOD is a GOD of truth and NOT a GOD of deception. There would have been NO reason for GOD to agree to Abraham's request, if GOD has already known there were no righteous people within the walls, NOT even Lot! And that brings me to another important point. GOD is “Almighty” and “All Knowing!” For us to even suggest that by having such power, He is incapable of choosing when and where “NOT to Know” something is foolish.
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If we go under the belief that GOD cannot “Alter” His plans, then we diminish His absolute ability to do all things. Think about it! The Bible tells us that “GOD cannot lie.” You must then ask yourself, does this mean that GOD is incapable of lying, or does it mean GOD chooses NOT to lie because of His righteous nature? If you believe as I do, then the idea of GOD altering plans becomes possible!
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Dear "Okinawa1985",
THE SUGGESTION THAT THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, BARGAINS WITH MORTALS, IS GROSSLY OBSCENE!
MORTALS WHO MAKE SUCH RIDICULOUS, AND BLASPHEMOUS, SUGGESTIONS SHOULD SPEND ETERNITY IN HADES.
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Dear "Okinawa1985",
Unfortunately, very few Christians, Jews, and Muslims, are familiar with all the POWERS, AND ATTRIBUTES OF THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.
HOW MANY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE IS TRULY OMNIPOTENT?
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Dear "Okinawa",
I omitted to mention that the BIBLICAL ASSERTION THAT ABRAHAM HAD A CONVERSATION WITH GOD, IS ABSURD, AND GROSSLY DISRESPECTFUL, FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON:
CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN SPIRITUAL ENTITIES AND MORTALS IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT TALK.
If I had a dollar for every fairy tale written in the Bible, I would be a very wealthy man.
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Dear "Okinawa",
If you like reading BIBLICAL STORIES, you might enjoy a book titled: "BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS". It is available on GOOGLE.
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False Prophet,

I suggest you study your Bible. There are NUMEROUS instances where God altered His plan. One such that comes to mind is Lot. Spouting falsehoods is not Godly in the least.
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In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works "all" things according to the counsel of his will, Eph 1:11
@Okinawa1985, Greetings, God cannot  alter His plan because He is immutable (Mal 3:6). God is not like man that constantly changes his mind. Man is like a stream whose waters are constantly changing and evolving but God is who He is and who He will always be. Man is subjective, subject to perception, feelings ,age and experience.
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(For example @okinawa1985 aged 3 would certainly not act and think in the same  way that @okinawa1985 at 50 would act) but God is the eternal object, the unchanging and eternal object of reality that endures forever. To claim that God alters His plans automatically negates Mal 3:6 which tells us that God "does not" change. The Bible tells us that God declares the end from the beginning (Isa 46:10). All of God's choices have "already" been made before the beginning of time ..
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and He has already streamlined all events btw the beginning and the end of time to fit into His choices.  I perfectly understand your stance on God's  conversation with Abraham when he wanted to destroy Sodom but you must understand that God was not bargaining with Abraham. God doesn't bargain with anyone. He does whatever he pleases.  (Psalm 115:3) The Bible tells us that God knows what we want before we even pray to Him (Matt 6:8)
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...but even though God knows all, He still expects us to pray in order to demonstrate our dependency and loyalty to Him. God intentionally raised Abraham and used  Him to demonstrate to us His principle of showing mercy before judgment. The account of Sodom like all other Bible accounts was intended as an allegory  and it was meant to teach us God's principles:
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.1 Cor 10:6
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God already knew he was going to destroy Sodom and he already knew that there weren't enough 'righteous' people there but He used his conversation with Abraham to demonstrate His mercy. His destruction of Sodom demonstrated His judgment on sin. If God didn't have that conversation with Abraham and simply went on to destroy Sodom, we would never have known that there was the possibility of showing mercy.
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God knows all His works from the beginning of the world (Acts 15:18) the statement God knows all his works from the beginning of the world demonstrates that nothing and no one is a mystery to God because He knows all
"Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. "Acts 15:18

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@prophet, The main reason why you feel that the "BIBLICAL ASSERTION THAT ABRAHAM HAD A CONVERSATION WITH GOD, IS ABSURD, AND GROSSLY DISRESPECTFUL" is because you tend to view scripture from a carnal and intellectual perspective. The Bible tells us that the carnal mind is enmity with God and is not subject to God and can never be. The mind governed by the intellect is hostile towards the mysteries of God because it tries to understand spiritual realities with a fallen and limited mindset.
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The carnal mind seeks facts and not truth. It seeks intellectual and rational facts instead of inspired spiritual truth. God speaks in the heart of man. When you are hungry, your thoughts propel you towards food. When you are in love, your abstract and invisible thoughts propel you towards showing love towards the object of your desire. In the same way, God speaks through your thoughts and will in order to make you do his will. Jesus told His disciples "For it is not ye that speak, ...
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.. but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh "in" you. Matt 10:20. God 'speaks' in the thought patterns of His children and thus inspires their wills to conform to His own
For it is God which "worketh in you" both "to will" and "to do" of his good pleasure. Phil 3:13
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BERRINTON, Greetings, and Peace to you and Yours! I understand where you are coming from with regards to Eph 1:11 and even Mal 3:6. You, however, view them through a 'one dimensional' lens whereas I view them in association of other Biblical facts, mainly, GOD's giving of free will. My question is, if GOD already knows all which will take place in the future, the 'free will' should not mean anything where our future is concern. It's clear to me that scriptures
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Cont'd: such as Eph 1:11 and Mal 3:6 cannot be taken at face value. If GOD is Almighty, then there can be no limit to HIS power, including "choosing" NOT to know something in advance.
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prophet: Your evil attack upon me creates NO disturbance in my life, nor does it make you right in any way. However, your attacks on Inspired Scriptures sound pretty disfunctional to me. Perhaps, just maybe, you should see a Psychologist for that. I wouldn't see a Minister, not a true Minister that is. You see, they believe Abraham had several conversations with GOD!
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@Okinawa1985, God the absolute truth is one dimensional. The truth is not here or there. The truth is either here or there. Man is that which is subject to opinions and mindsets but God is that which transcends mere perception. Anais Nin once observed "we do not see things as they are, we see them as we are. " A goat sees grass as food but a man sees grass as a weed. They both perceive the same thing in different ways because their perceptions differ.
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(correction: i meant the truth is not here and there) When dealing with truth, we must ensure that the eternal and immutable Holy Spirit is our guide in order that we might see God as He is and not as we intend Him to be (1 John 3:2)
I understand your difficulty in relating our freewill with God's predestination but you must understand that God sees things outside of time. God sees things as now but we see things as then, now and before
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In God's reality, our so called choices, freewill and existence are occurring in an eternal now which we perceive as time. Consider our solar system, the earth (and the other planets) revolves around the sun and its revolution produces the changing seasons and years but the sun is still. Its always there, Always shining. Meanwhile,on the earth we have summer, winter, night and day. In our reality the seasons change, the sun doesnt shine everytime.
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Why do you think the reality obtained on the sun is different from the reality obtained on the moving earth? It is because of the motion of the earth of course. Imagine if the earth where still in a point facing the sun forever and ever. We wouldn't have day and night or summer and winter. We would have an eternal day and summer. Motion produces change. Stillness produces stability. Eternity is stable and unchanging. Time is based on motions of perceptions and thoughts and is changing.
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So try and understand that despite the "apparent" 'motion' of the choices/actions of past , present and future humans, God sees them in a realm of stillness. In time which is based on motion and change you have freewill to act and choose but in eternity which is based on stillness, God already knows what you will do in motion even before you do it. Consider the journey of the earth around the sun, the path that the earth travels already exists. But the earth which is the 'traveler'
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...experiencing the journey experiences the journey as a new experience. Lets assume that you haven't traveled btw Las Vegas to California by road before so you decide to embark on the journey as an adventure. The road btw both cities already exists. But to you the experiencer of the journey, it is a totally new experience. You experience people and houses and cars that already exist but which are totally new to you. It is the same with God. God knows all but we of our freewill experience..
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..what he already knows in time and as choices. I would love to end by touching on something you wrote before I go "If we go under the belief that GOD cannot “Alter” His plans, then we diminish His absolute ability to do all things." God cannot do things that are contrary to Him. You must understand that God is truth. You must also understand that God is reality. The statement God is reality means that He is the way things are. It also means that anything that is not conformed to Him does no
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..t and cannot have a real and eternal existence which is why we are told to abandon our own will and follow his. We are nothing who must be filled by God's everything. We have nothing outside Christ no (eternal) life no (eternal) sustenance and no meaning. We find all our meaning & life in Christ. So yes God can do "all" things. But "all" in God represents the things that are in line with His character because anything that is contrary to His character doesnt exist (from an eternal perspective)
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So look at "all" in terms of the things that pertain to God .God doesn't operate outside of His own nature because outside of God's nature, there is only hell and unreality.
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Dear "mmerlinn",
In reply to your uncouth comment, I would like to advise you that, according to the BIBLE, and WIKIPEDIA, LOT WAS A LECHEROUS OLD DRUNK WHO IMPREGNATED HIS TWO DAUGHTERS BECAUSE HE COULD NOT FIND SUITABLE MEN FOR A BETROTHAL!
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Dear "Okinawa",
The Greek Philosopher Socrates once said:
'IF THE TRUTH HURTS YOU, DO NOT BLAME OTHERS, BLAME YOURSELF."
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prophet: The Living Philosopher "Okinawa" does say:
When truth becomes limited to what a person perceives
and tries to force that perception upon others, and succeeds,
it becomes merely an extension of ones limited truth!
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@prophet In spite of our past disagreements, I have to admit that you made some cogent points pertaining God's unchanging and uncompromising nature which I agree with however, I must admit that your attitude of rejecting scripture calls your Christianity into doubt. Christians regard the Bible as the infallible Word of God besides, you tend to exhibit a very arrogant and self righteous stance. You claim 'LOT WAS A LECHEROUS OLD DRUNK WHO IMPREGNATED HIS TWO DAUGHTERS BECAUSE HE COULD NOT...
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FIND SUITABLE MEN FOR A BETROTHAL!" So what are you? Do you consider yourself righteous? You are a filthy and stinking sinner without God & attaching labels like Prophet, apostle and evangelist to your name means nothing if you reject God's will. We all reek of sin, hypocrisy and rebellion and none of us is righteous so why do you make it seem as if you are the best thing that has happened to mankind and Lot was a wretched and dejected sinner? We are all sinners who look for God's mercy.
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Dear "Okinawa1985",
Whenever some ANOOX members disagree with my comments, I am not surprised.
According to WIKIPEDIA (CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS) CHRISTIANITY IS THE MOST DIVIDED RELIGION IN THE WORLD.
DO YOU THINK JESUS IS HAPPY WATCHING THE RELIGION HE CREATED, BEHAVING LIKE A DISUNITED AND DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY?
I ALWAYS SAY: "SHAME ON THOSE WHO MAKE JESUS SAD, DISILLUSIONED, AND UNHAPPY."
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False Profit,

Putting the confused writings of Wikipedia ahead of the Bible is NOT a sign of a CHRISTian, who by definition, follows the teachings of Christ per the BIBLE not WIKIPEDIA.

Further, WHERE in the Bible does it say that Lot was WRONG per the LAWS of that time? Judging him by TODAY'S laws, which he NEVER knew nor could obey, is UTTERLY WRONG. This is just another example of you touting FALSE Christianity.

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As a European observing what is happening in USA and the World, it seems like the answer is firmly NO. Otherwise Hitler would not have been elected. And neither would have been Trump. After all Trump supports all that is Bad, such as wanting to increase Military spending in US which is already off the chart, and even though he came to office saying that "NATO is obsolete" he is now even a bigger NATO fan than Bush Reagan, etc. and he opposes all that is good such as pulling US out of Paris climate accord that every good Nation supports.
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And you can add to this list, that by now NRA would have been destroyed as they are responsible, via their control of GOP and yellow Democrats, for the Killing of 59 Americans in Vegas as for the Killing of about 30,000 Americans per Year due to insane Gun laws they support and their opposition to sane Gun controls that they for example put in place in Australia 20 YEARS AGO as a result of which they have had ZERO Mass shootings since.
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World_Traveler: When you say, "Yellow Democrats" I'm sure you're only speaking of the ones who are in bed with the NRA.. aren't you? After all, it's the Democrats who have been pushing for STRONGER gun laws even before President Obama. NO, you can't blame this one on Democrats.. the GOP got this one all the way!!

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NO. How else can you explain Obama having been a bigger War Monger than Bush and the right-wing Media in US and Republicans such as Trump still calling him "Soft on our Enemies" and promising even more Wars!
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What a disgusting argument!
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Really! And what part of the facts that I listed can possibly be:
"a disgusting argument"
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You seem to BLAME everyone, anything and everything - yet you offer NO solutions whatsoever! The argument you put forth is disgusting to me for that reason. Come with some solution examples for a change.. that is, of course, if solutions are important enough to you! Peace!!
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Another one part of the problem and not the solution. Would be nice if those that are not part of the solution would go to their own island and leave the solution providers alone so they could solve the problems.
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OK, so we have gone from you presenting NO example of what I said was "a disgusting argument", to now saying: "yet you offer NO solutions whatsoever"
I did not know that the purpose of this discussion was that!

But anyway, if you REALLY want a Solution here:
1- Stop waging War after War after War on poor (Islamic) Countries based on one fear-mongering Lies after another
2- Cut the US Military budget to be in line with size of US economy to the World which means cut it down to 200-Bill per Year
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5 months 1 week ago
and invest the savings in Poor Miserable American Cities & States.

For more Google or Anoox:

Why is USA engaged in War after War after War, while China the 2nd largest economy in the World, that borders Afghanistan, repeat borders Afghanistan, in engaged in ZERO such Wars

Or

Why are the Poorer American People giving 200-Billion per Year in FREE Military to Richer European Union Countries (aka NATO)
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DisWay, these are excellent questions. How amazing but telling that NO one in US Media asks or discusses these issues!!!

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I believe God does intervene in human affairs but in specific circumstances that he chooses and for the reasons only he knows. My wife went through some very difficult medical issues that her doctors never felt she would survive, but she did. There's no doubt in our minds and many of the doctors that God had his hand in her recovery. No known reasons, just true God Things.
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Give us an instance when God involved in Human Affairs for to save the People who were being oppressed by an aggressor? None.

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Though God has given man 'free will', He does intervene in our affairs if we ask Him to. To know more about how all spiritual beings influence the lives of people everyday check out this website: http://invisible-spiritual-forces.webs.com/
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Our God reigns Jesus WILL have his day! Rev: 1:7
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Yes God intervenes! Don't you remember Moses?
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Old Testament! new testament: Jesus taught us how to live, and serve Jehovah GOD. The next time we see Jesus, It will be with his return

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