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qlcoach

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Posted On: 2016-09-25 10:24:52
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What is Heaven? Is it Real or Fiction?

If all of us have the innate capacity to make personal contact with God (all that is Divine) in many spiritual ways, then is it possible to have a state of Heaven Consciousness on Earth? I am interested in your answers and your input. Let us reflect for a moment on Heaven Consciousness. Nature is one way that puts me in contact with the Infinite Presence.





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barista


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It is Real. But what is Real is different for different People.
Well at least I would like to think it is Real. I mean who wants to Die and that would be the End :(
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Fardoush 2 months 3 weeks ago

Well I agree with your comment totally.
But I like to believe that there is a place where we are rewarded for our Goods in life
and damned for our Bad in life.

And on that note, I tell you people who Voted for Trump and all the right-wing Wall
Street Republicans heartless War Mongers like him, are going to be damned to this Hell.

MJThompson 2 months 3 weeks ago

Oh thank you, ALL-KNOWING benevolent master-mind. Heaven or hell is so totally decided by
my vote. I forgot that. Your Canadian insight has reminded me how ignorant I am. Although
I'm twice your age & foolishly remain patriotic, I now stand corrected by your compelling
rebuke. Now please tell all your cohorts to get off the freeway & let me pass.

Fardoush 2 months 3 weeks ago

MJ, well your Vote is indication of your Sole and your Deeds.
And if you are such heartless person to Vote for psycho Trump, then Hell is where you
shall Go, for I am sure GOD is preparing a special place for all those who Voted and
support Republicans/Trump. After all Trump/Republicans call the Universal Healthcare we
have here in Canada, as they have in all European countries, etc. to be "Socialism"! That
my friend is definition of Enemy within and not "patriot".

MJThompson 2 months 3 weeks ago

"Sole"? Do you mean SOUL? But perhaps the bottom of your shoe needs scraping. What you do
NOT know about Trump is eclipsed by your ignorance of scripture, which contains the only
reliable information on 'hell'. Obamacare is FAR from Universal Healthcare - & Trump will
either repeal it or improve it, depending on whether ANY of it is worth salvaging. When my
enemy (within or without) attempts to define 'patriotism' for me, I thank God I'm NOT
deceived by the forces that hold him captive to his

MJThompson 2 months 3 weeks ago

own devices. As for my 'deeds' - I STOPPED expecting ANY favorable recognition (by God or
Man) of those 40+ years ago. Sorry that you still think eternal destiny hinges on them.

Fardoush 2 months 3 weeks ago

WOW! This is what we have been saying you Moron! That is:

"Obamacare is FAR from Universal Healthcare"

To be exact: ObamaCare is a JOKE of a Healthcare plan, because it is based on a Plan
proposed by Ultra Right-Wing of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation), a plan that
became RomneyCare, but it is not even as Socialized as RomneyCare! A plan that is the
EXACT OPPOSITE of NHS!

Yet Republicans such as Trump opposed the Healthcare plan proposed by them which Obama
passed!

Fardoush 2 months 3 weeks ago

In the above FACTS you have all the proof that you need as to what a bizarre Lying Machine
US Government, as defined by Republicans and Obama Democrats, & Wall Street Media have
been, and amazingly continue to be!

And the proof that of course Trump will continue this bizarre SCAM on American People.
And any "real Patriot" would stand up to this SCAMs which are KILLING 10s of 1000s of
Americans due to NO (affordable) Healthcare.

MJThompson 2 months 3 weeks ago

Fardoush - perhaps an education that wasn't limited to the gutter & websites like
@realnewsposts.com (where your cohorts fuel each others bigotry, bias, & fiction could
benefit you. You severely lack any objectivity, you do not know how to effectively debate
the issues, without even knowing (which requires acceptance of truth) who you are arguing
with, much less knowing yourself. You merely parrot what you think is impressive rhetoric
that can't possibly positively influence anyone but your

MJThompson 2 months 3 weeks ago

personal circles of like-minded uneducated individuals. You call me a 'moron' yet you
don't even know me. But I must be because I voted? You confuse the 'patriot' with
'conspiracy-theorist'. Live a while in reality that isn't influenced by cartoons &
bigotry. No life problem is ever as simplistic as your rant. Rather than joining the
constant cries of foul, why don't you supply an effective solution. If your not part of
the solution - you are the problem.

Fardoush 2 months 2 weeks ago

And you ask me why you are called a Moron.
So "an effective solution" has been proposed and implemented by the ENTIRE Developed
World in regard to Healthcare. Decades ago. And it is Government run Universal Socialized
Healthcare (NHS). What all European Nations, Canada, Australia, Japan, including Israel
the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media have had
for many Decades.
What Republicans in US call "Socialism" and oppose.

Fardoush 2 months 2 weeks ago

And Obama/Clinton Democrats, did not even propose.
Instead Obama Admin came and passed a Healthcare plan proposed by the Ultra Right-Wing
of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation), a water down version of RomneyCare!

As a result of which 100-Million+ Americans have no affordable Healthcare.
50,000 Americans killed per Year due to denial of Healthcare

And that is why Republicans heartless War Mongers and Obama Democrats, are going to be
damned to Hell. If there is a Hell!

MJThompson 2 months 2 weeks ago

So what are you? Fascist? Nazi? ISIS? or just ignorant? or one of those NAMELESS, ordinary
people who have no professional credentials nor even a self-educated basis for their
beliefs (political or religious). They tend to depend upon the education and advice or
opinions of others without conducting any personal research into the validity of the
claims and representations of those particular ‘others’ who foolishly think that
realnewsposts.com is the ONLY beacon of unbiased journalism.

Fardoush 2 months 2 weeks ago

So I tell you that my position regarding Healthcare are the same as all European Nations,
Canada, Australia, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton
Democrats & the right-wing Media, which is to operate Healthcare on Government run
Universal Socialized basis, so that all Americans would have Healthcare while we spend 50%
less on Healthcare, AND your reply is whether I am: "Fascist? Nazi? ISIS? " WOW WOW!
What damage right-wing Media done to American Nation!

MJThompson 2 months 2 weeks ago

You mention 'right-wing media' - I do not know of any such propaganda from THEM. In my
corner of the globe, it is the LEFTIST-LIBERAL MEDIA that proclaim false reports & spread
propaganda. Your view is opposite mine - FINE! Perhaps YOU are one of those NAMELESS,
ordinary people who have no professional credentials nor even a self-educated basis for
their beliefs (political or religious). Lack of Health Care won't send ANYONE to hell.

Fardoush 2 months 2 weeks ago

Lack of Health Care that is Killing at least 50,000+ Americans per Year due to such lack,
will certainly send the People behind this to Hell. Given the fact that Republicans, Obama
Democrats, and Wall Street Media behind this, fully know that Government run Universal
Socialized Single payer Healthcare (NHS) is the only way to run the Healthcare of a
Country, given the facts that:

1- Their beloved Israel has NHS.
2- Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. all have NHS

MJThompson 2 months 2 weeks ago

Fardoush - I understand your 'passion' for good health care. But as a theologian my final
statement on THIS topic is that going to hell has NOTHING to do with it. Goodbye.

Fardoush 2 months 2 weeks ago

Oh my friend, it has every thing to do with it. And that is why 100% of all European
Nations, Canada, Australia, etc. are all 100% for their Government run Universal
Socialized Healthcare (NHS). Because to be against something as Good, as opposed to EVIL,
as Universal Healthcare, and hence condemn 100s of 1000s of People per Year in your
Country to agonizing Death, as is case in USA by Republicans and Democrats opposing NHS,
is such EVIL thing that it shall send you straight to HELL.

MJThompson 2 months 2 weeks ago

The concept of hell you perceive is NOT theologically sound.Why even consider such
spiritual phenomena relegated to an 'after-life' abode as pertinent to one's health care
-as if any INDIVIDUAL has any direct control over it? If you conclude the existing form as
EVIL - precisely health care would go to hell, but NOT its victims! How incredibly
irrational. BY THAT standard ALL Americans are EVIL. How absurd!

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

No NOT All Americans are EVIL, since many Americans, who are not made insane by right-wing
Media in US, like all other People in other Developed Nations support Socialized Universal
Healthcare. After all only an EVIL person would not support something so good and
essential for the well being of a Nation. And that is why 100% of even all the
Conservative parties in all European
Nations, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. 100% support their NHS.

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

So it is the Wall Street Billionaire class that controls the Big Media in US that has lied
and lied about Socialized Universal Healthcare, and made many American People hence as a
result insane and EVIL compared to People of other Nations that is EVIL and this group and
the people who have fallen for their lies shall go to HELL for their EVIL lies from state
of Healthcare in US to War after War that US is engaged in.

MJThompson 2 months 1 week ago

Google 'Health Care' & the 1st page contains references only to realnewsposts.org entries
-prime example that the bias expressed there is trending far more than any actual
objective interest by the mass majority of internet users. Go to Wikipedia & discover the
REAL truth about 'universal' health care nation by nation. For most countries the poor are
generally entitled to health services free of charge, while the wealthy pay for treatment
based on a sliding scale - just as in the USA!

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

OMG! Now you are saying that Google the Wall Street Mega Goliath is "biased" toward
realnewsposts.org which is a non-profit non-Wall Street based Medium for People to report
& discuss the News!

And you add to that insanity by saying now that:
"the poor are generally entitled to health services free of charge..."

if that was the case why then: Two Million+ Americans going bankrupt per Year due to
Healthcare costs!

And you want to use WikiPedia? Really!

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

Here:

US spends twice on Healthcare compared to countries with Socialized Healthcare while it
has worst results

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system

Look at this chart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system#/media/File:Health_systems_comparison_OECD_2
008.png

you can see, Countries with not-for-profit Socialized Healthcare, which is only 100% of
all Developed Nations give Healthcare to all their People FREE for Taxes they pay, they
have GREAT health care results while

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

while that Upside down Blue Bar is USA which has for profit Wall Street based Healthcare
is spending 50% more on Healthcare while having WORST Healthcare results! Resulting in:

1- 30-Million+ Americans without Health Insurance

2- Most Americans with Health Insurance did not actually dare to go for Healthcare since
they would be hit with exorbitant deductibles of $5,000 per Year per Family member and
More, Co-pay of 20% and More, etc. Wall Street rip-offs

MJThompson 2 months 1 week ago

Fardoush - YOUR bias is blatantly obvious!! I am NOT saying Google is biased BUT that
realnewsposts.org is! The posts THERE are ALL one-sided - fueling the fire of each others
bigotry & ignorance about FACTS. Did YOU bother to read ANY outside information NOT posted
@realnewsposts.org?? I doubt it, otherwise you would be informed about the reality of
universal health care in nations other than the USA, which ALL are imperfect system as
well. But Obama Care is bad, I agree. Get balanced 'news'.

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

MJThompson, listen to the insane non-sense that you have written, that is:
"Did YOU bother to read ANY outside information NOT posted realnewsposts.org..."

For again Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), what Republicans and
right-wing Media call "Socialism" and oppose in proving what EVIL they are, is 100%
supported by ALL Developed Nations from Canada to UK to Israel the beloved Nation of
Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

So you have to be Brain dead or Brain washed like you and TEAPublicans in USA are thanks
to Wall Street right-wing Media lies, NOT to have "read ANY outside information" since
all Media in all Developed Nations from Canada to UK to Germany t to again Israel, they
are all 100% for their NHS as the only way to operate Healthcare of a Country and they are
all terrified and mortified by state of Healthcare in USA.

For more Google or Anoox:

How is Healthcare in UK operated

Fardoush 2 months 1 week ago

Or

How is Healthcare in Canada operated

Or

How is Healthcare in France operated

SO, if you actually "read ANY outside information" than Brain washing lies you get from
Fox and right-wing lying Media in US, you see that entire Developed World operates
Healthcare on Universal Socialized basis, because to operate Healthcare on for profit Wall
Street based basis is EVIL and all who support this will Go to HELL for 100s of 1000s of
Americans they KILL Per Year due to NO Healthcare.


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Jerome


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God being Omnipresent is not the samething as "heaven". In simple terms there are three abodes, Heaven, Earth, and Hell. And within these three are different levels of existence or intensities. Heaven or Paradise above is the residence of God and the holy angels and the saints. Earth is the place where humans and other creatures live their terrestrial existence. And Hell or or Hell fire with eternal torments below is where satan and demons and the evil people will be imprisoned. No human can come to God the Father except by Iesous, and there is salvation in no other but Christ alone.
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Heaven is a reality. It is a space where the spirits operating our planet settle down.
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qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Thank you for you comment.


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BERRINTON


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For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: Rom 7:18
None of us has the innate capacity to make personal contact with God (the God of the Bible). We only have the ability to make contact with the universal sinful energy (or what some new age mystics refer to as god) that conjured up this world of sin. The Bible tells us of God "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which "no man" can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.1 Tim 6:16. The true God dwells in light that no man can approach to or can see.

The so called 'god',light energy or infinite presence that we have access to is the false promise of satan in the garden of Eden. Ye shall be as gods if ye eat of the forbidden tree of good (i.e consciousness) and evil (form) & the promise of satan in eden is attained by marrying the two contrary parts of the tree i.e good and evil in order to produce the hexagram or the perfected child.
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BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

The Ego (desire to be god thought process) that conjured up this illusory life experience
is who and what we are in this 3D plane. We are the mouthpiece and the players, the
puppets, that perpetuate the "we can be god if we look within agenda" (the same promise of
satan to eve in Gen 3:5) It’s this agenda that seeks to be “god”. In reality, we
have "exclusive" access to God in Christ. (Acts 4:12) meaning he that does not accept
Jesus Christ in his heart by faith has no ...

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

access or contact with God. Unlike the occult that tells us that we all have equal access
to the inner christ (which leads to god consciousness), Christianity tells us that only
those who accept in the heart Christ have access to the God
Now if any man "have not" the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his Rom 8:9.
Finally, in answer to your main question, yes it is possible to have heaven
consciousness on earth. Jesus tells us thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. When
you reject...

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

..the inner spark of the accursed kundalini serpent within and are reborn (by faith) of
Christ (who is beyond your body, present consciousness) you will experience reality (or
heaven) as it is right now.

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and "ye
shall be as gods," knowing good and evil. Gen 3:5
The whole satanic occult agenda involves becoming "as" gods (i.e it is patterned after
the true God) by knowing good and evil (i.e balancing the two opposing parts/pillars of
nature into one) So what is, we in our hubris want to become by rejecting God and looking
within but we are all bound to fail.

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

correction, I meant ) So God what is,... above, not what is

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

I see that you have strong opinions and a faith that works for you. May Peace be with you.

MJThompson 4 months 3 weeks ago

Berrinton = again your gift of prose coupled with an awareness of little used terminology
presents a very interesting perspective. The many analogies you've employed to present
your understanding of truth is always refreshing & unique, while at the same time,
definitely applicable to any sincere seeker of truth. Peace!

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Well said MJ. We are in agreement. Smile.


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Radiant11:11


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In my experience, Heaven and Hell are both experienced here on Earth but in different dimensions which we can go back and forth in based on our perceptions. I know what I'm about to write is reverse to what some believe but I can only speak from what I know. The spiritual exists in the first dimension (1D). It's a place of no time and space where everyone is one. It has no physical presence. In the second dimension (2D), it's very cartoon-like though it appears a little more like plasma than the reality most people are used to. In the third dimension (3D), it's more physical and what most people are used to. Then there's the fourth dimension (4D) which is very physical. Now the thing is Heaven is a very individual concept because it depends on your mood moment by moment which determines the dimension best for you at any given point. Some days you want to lay on a hammock and some days you want to race cars. True happiness is ever-changing. Good luck on your own path to Heaven!
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Radiant11:11 4 months 3 weeks ago

I should add that whatever you know is what is true. My description above is accurate for
me but if you believe in specific religions, their rules apply to what you'll experience.
Eventually you learn that you are in control based on your perceptions, fears, etc... At
the end of the day, nobody is every wrong (for as hard as that may be to believe).

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Excellent points Radiant11:11. What you have explained sounds to me like you walk a
spiritual path. Could it be that Heaven is actually a state of God Consciousness?

Radiant11:11 4 months 3 weeks ago

That's correct. I'm on my last life so every question I ever had has been answered. I
wrote a book on the subject and if you'd like to read the portion that deals with the
various types of heaven and hell, just message me with your email address and I'll email
you that portion of my book which explains it in detail so you don't have to buy the book.
The only stipulation is that you don't promote the book under any circumstances. It can
only be found by those seeking it per my agreement.

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Very cool Radiant11:11. I will email you soon. Have you seen my spiritual blog? Just check
my profile here. We can carry on conversations there too. My wife and I are writing a
spiritual book together. Come join the fun!


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Simple answer Heaven is being with God and Hell is without God and His love. The Bible states that Jesus is the only way to get into heaven, but many use the principles of The Bible to live their life and find great serenity and peace. That is not save according to the Bible. If you read the Bible you would know none of the disciples understood until Jesus rose from the dead, then the disciples were ready to follow Jesus even into the grave KNOWING they would be with Jesus going from this life to the next. So yes heaven is real
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BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

Very true @golfer. Heaven is being with God and Hell is without God and His love. When
you are with God you are in heaven "right now". Jesus said in John 3:13 "And no man hath
ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in
heaven." Jesus was (physically) on earth when he made that statement yet he said "even the
Son of man which is in heaven." You are in heaven when you make peace with God by being
reborn of Christ.

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

Prov 15:24 also tells us "The way of life is above to the wise, that he may "depart from
hell beneath." The 1st question that should arise in the seekers mind is : Why does the
Bible tell us that the wise has to depart from hell "beneath" is the wise in hell? And the
answer to that question is yes the wise was born into a hellish life of chaos and sin
beneath the heavens of God and he must look above to Jesus in order to escape from it.

BERRINTON 4 months 3 weeks ago

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are "above", where Christ sitteth
on the right hand of God.Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:1-2

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

I liked your answer too Golfer. And I see that Berrinton agrees with you. Maybe one way to
experience a better life today and create a more peaceful, loving world, is to simply Be
with God daily.


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SaintlyMic


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Becoming BORN AGAIN is true Heaven on earth.
Without being BORN AGAIN you walk a life of hell.

How Do You Become Born Again?

http://www.jesusisgod.com/Blog/questions/question/how-do-you-become-born-again

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qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Thank you for your comment and for sharing your faith.

SaintlyMic 4 months 3 weeks ago

Oh, yes, I need to add . . .

Heaven is a real place that sits outside of time and space.

God/Jesus is in Heaven.

SaintlyMic 4 months 3 weeks ago

Now, here is a clear picture of Jesus in Heaven compared to Jesus in Earth.

Imagine, Jesus sitting in Eternity.
Imagine Jesus holding one finger above his open palm.
Now imagine a drop of water being released from His finger and He drops it into His
hand, and then it vaporizes in an instant.

Time and the entire universe are in that drop of water, and before it turns into a
vapor, Jesus jumps into it, becomes a man, dies, and then comes back before the drop of
water vaporizes in His hand.

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Thank you again SaintlyMic. I am also starting to believe that Heaven is a place. And it
is more than a state of consciousness. Have you read Dr. Eben Alexanders book, Proof of
Heaven? Very cool stuff!

SaintlyMic 4 months 3 weeks ago

Jesus brought me up to Heaven in a vision.
Back in my 20's Jesus gave me a waking vision, and He caught me up to Heaven in the
Spirit.
I saw Jesus, angels, and demons.
Jesus and His clothes were a clear bright blinding white, and yet I was not blinded.
This vision lasted 6 hours as I cleaned my house.
I wrote down the vision as I had it, and Jesus gave me a word to look up.
The word "CORONATION".
It means to knight a king to be a king.
That vision was my coronation.
Jesus made me a king

qlcoach 4 months 3 weeks ago

Wow! Thank you for sharing SaintlyMic!!!


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