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Posted On: 2016-09-25 10:24:52
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What is Heaven? Is it Real or Fiction?

If all of us have the innate capacity to make personal contact with God (all that is Divine) in many spiritual ways, then is it possible to have a state of Heaven Consciousness on Earth? I am interested in your answers and your input. Let us reflect for a moment on Heaven Consciousness. Nature is one way that puts me in contact with the Infinite Presence.





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3 months 4 days ago

Athiests believe there is no afterlife. Christians, Jews and Muslims do as well as most religions. But there are some non theistic religions such as Jediism that do not believe in a personal god but they do not rule out an afterlife in one form or another.
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Jediism! What is that? Is that like cross between Judaism and Capitalism?
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Me perceives perhaps the FORCE be not with you? Theology from monies? News strictly from blogs...
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Even Buddha didn't believe in God as this to him was a human attachment. Buddhism started out as a non theistic religion. Some Buddhists pray to dieties and some don't.
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...and some of their deities are ants, beetles, moths, etc. Don't step on an insect, it may be an ancient relative.
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We do have some very interesting religious beliefs out there. A fascinating topic.

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People I know who have taken DMT, which is the chemical your brain releases when you die, they say the experience what heaven is and they describe it as a place they feel they have been to before and where they feel comfortable and "at home"

Its interesting but Ill wait til i die to experience it.
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It is Real. But what is Real is different for different People.
Well at least I would like to think it is Real. I mean who wants to Die and that would be the End :(
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Well I agree with your comment totally.
But I like to believe that there is a place where we are rewarded for our Goods in life and damned for our Bad in life.

And on that note, I tell you people who Voted for Trump and all the right-wing Wall Street Republicans heartless War Mongers like him, are going to be damned to this Hell.
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Oh thank you, ALL-KNOWING benevolent master-mind. Heaven or hell is so totally decided by my vote. I forgot that. Your Canadian insight has reminded me how ignorant I am. Although I'm twice your age & foolishly remain patriotic, I now stand corrected by your compelling rebuke. Now please tell all your cohorts to get off the freeway & let me pass.
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MJ, well your Vote is indication of your Sole and your Deeds.
And if you are such heartless person to Vote for psycho Trump, then Hell is where you shall Go, for I am sure GOD is preparing a special place for all those who Voted and support Republicans/Trump. After all Trump/Republicans call the Universal Healthcare we have here in Canada, as they have in all European countries, etc. to be "Socialism"! That my friend is definition of Enemy within and not "patriot".
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"Sole"? Do you mean SOUL? But perhaps the bottom of your shoe needs scraping. What you do NOT know about Trump is eclipsed by your ignorance of scripture, which contains the only reliable information on 'hell'. Obamacare is FAR from Universal Healthcare - & Trump will either repeal it or improve it, depending on whether ANY of it is worth salvaging. When my enemy (within or without) attempts to define 'patriotism' for me, I thank God I'm NOT deceived by the forces that hold him captive to his
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own devices. As for my 'deeds' - I STOPPED expecting ANY favorable recognition (by God or Man) of those 40+ years ago. Sorry that you still think eternal destiny hinges on them.
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WOW! This is what we have been saying you Moron! That is:

"Obamacare is FAR from Universal Healthcare"

To be exact: ObamaCare is a JOKE of a Healthcare plan, because it is based on a Plan proposed by Ultra Right-Wing of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation), a plan that became RomneyCare, but it is not even as Socialized as RomneyCare! A plan that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of NHS!

Yet Republicans such as Trump opposed the Healthcare plan proposed by them which Obama passed!
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In the above FACTS you have all the proof that you need as to what a bizarre Lying Machine US Government, as defined by Republicans and Obama Democrats, & Wall Street Media have been, and amazingly continue to be!

And the proof that of course Trump will continue this bizarre SCAM on American People. And any "real Patriot" would stand up to this SCAMs which are KILLING 10s of 1000s of Americans due to NO (affordable) Healthcare.
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Fardoush - perhaps an education that wasn't limited to the gutter & websites like @realnewsposts.com (where your cohorts fuel each others bigotry, bias, & fiction could benefit you. You severely lack any objectivity, you do not know how to effectively debate the issues, without even knowing (which requires acceptance of truth) who you are arguing with, much less knowing yourself. You merely parrot what you think is impressive rhetoric that can't possibly positively influence anyone but your
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personal circles of like-minded uneducated individuals. You call me a 'moron' yet you don't even know me. But I must be because I voted? You confuse the 'patriot' with 'conspiracy-theorist'. Live a while in reality that isn't influenced by cartoons & bigotry. No life problem is ever as simplistic as your rant. Rather than joining the constant cries of foul, why don't you supply an effective solution. If your not part of the solution - you are the problem.
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And you ask me why you are called a Moron.
So "an effective solution" has been proposed and implemented by the ENTIRE Developed World in regard to Healthcare. Decades ago. And it is Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS). What all European Nations, Canada, Australia, Japan, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media have had for many Decades.
What Republicans in US call "Socialism" and oppose.
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And Obama/Clinton Democrats, did not even propose.
Instead Obama Admin came and passed a Healthcare plan proposed by the Ultra Right-Wing of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation), a water down version of RomneyCare!

As a result of which 100-Million+ Americans have no affordable Healthcare.
50,000 Americans killed per Year due to denial of Healthcare

And that is why Republicans heartless War Mongers and Obama Democrats, are going to be damned to Hell. If there is a Hell!
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So what are you? Fascist? Nazi? ISIS? or just ignorant? or one of those NAMELESS, ordinary people who have no professional credentials nor even a self-educated basis for their beliefs (political or religious). They tend to depend upon the education and advice or opinions of others without conducting any personal research into the validity of the claims and representations of those particular ‘others’ who foolishly think that realnewsposts.com is the ONLY beacon of unbiased journalism.
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So I tell you that my position regarding Healthcare are the same as all European Nations, Canada, Australia, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media, which is to operate Healthcare on Government run Universal Socialized basis, so that all Americans would have Healthcare while we spend 50% less on Healthcare, AND your reply is whether I am: "Fascist? Nazi? ISIS? " WOW WOW!
What damage right-wing Media done to American Nation!
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You mention 'right-wing media' - I do not know of any such propaganda from THEM. In my corner of the globe, it is the LEFTIST-LIBERAL MEDIA that proclaim false reports & spread propaganda. Your view is opposite mine - FINE! Perhaps YOU are one of those NAMELESS, ordinary people who have no professional credentials nor even a self-educated basis for their beliefs (political or religious). Lack of Health Care won't send ANYONE to hell.
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Lack of Health Care that is Killing at least 50,000+ Americans per Year due to such lack, will certainly send the People behind this to Hell. Given the fact that Republicans, Obama Democrats, and Wall Street Media behind this, fully know that Government run Universal Socialized Single payer Healthcare (NHS) is the only way to run the Healthcare of a Country, given the facts that:

1- Their beloved Israel has NHS.
2- Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. all have NHS
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Fardoush - I understand your 'passion' for good health care. But as a theologian my final statement on THIS topic is that going to hell has NOTHING to do with it. Goodbye.
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Oh my friend, it has every thing to do with it. And that is why 100% of all European Nations, Canada, Australia, etc. are all 100% for their Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS). Because to be against something as Good, as opposed to EVIL, as Universal Healthcare, and hence condemn 100s of 1000s of People per Year in your Country to agonizing Death, as is case in USA by Republicans and Democrats opposing NHS, is such EVIL thing that it shall send you straight to HELL.
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The concept of hell you perceive is NOT theologically sound.Why even consider such spiritual phenomena relegated to an 'after-life' abode as pertinent to one's health care -as if any INDIVIDUAL has any direct control over it? If you conclude the existing form as EVIL - precisely health care would go to hell, but NOT its victims! How incredibly irrational. BY THAT standard ALL Americans are EVIL. How absurd!
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No NOT All Americans are EVIL, since many Americans, who are not made insane by right-wing Media in US, like all other People in other Developed Nations support Socialized Universal Healthcare. After all only an EVIL person would not support something so good and essential for the well being of a Nation. And that is why 100% of even all the Conservative parties in all European
Nations, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. 100% support their NHS.
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So it is the Wall Street Billionaire class that controls the Big Media in US that has lied and lied about Socialized Universal Healthcare, and made many American People hence as a result insane and EVIL compared to People of other Nations that is EVIL and this group and the people who have fallen for their lies shall go to HELL for their EVIL lies from state of Healthcare in US to War after War that US is engaged in.
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Google 'Health Care' & the 1st page contains references only to realnewsposts.org entries -prime example that the bias expressed there is trending far more than any actual objective interest by the mass majority of internet users. Go to Wikipedia & discover the REAL truth about 'universal' health care nation by nation. For most countries the poor are generally entitled to health services free of charge, while the wealthy pay for treatment based on a sliding scale - just as in the USA!
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OMG! Now you are saying that Google the Wall Street Mega Goliath is "biased" toward realnewsposts.org which is a non-profit non-Wall Street based Medium for People to report & discuss the News!

And you add to that insanity by saying now that:
"the poor are generally entitled to health services free of charge..."

if that was the case why then: Two Million+ Americans going bankrupt per Year due to Healthcare costs!

And you want to use WikiPedia? Really!
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Here:

US spends twice on Healthcare compared to countries with Socialized Healthcare while it has worst results

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system

Look at this chart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system#/media/File:Health_systems_comparison_OECD_2008.png

you can see, Countries with not-for-profit Socialized Healthcare, which is only 100% of all Developed Nations give Healthcare to all their People FREE for Taxes they pay, they have GREAT health care results while
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while that Upside down Blue Bar is USA which has for profit Wall Street based Healthcare is spending 50% more on Healthcare while having WORST Healthcare results! Resulting in:

1- 30-Million+ Americans without Health Insurance

2- Most Americans with Health Insurance did not actually dare to go for Healthcare since they would be hit with exorbitant deductibles of $5,000 per Year per Family member and More, Co-pay of 20% and More, etc. Wall Street rip-offs
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Fardoush - YOUR bias is blatantly obvious!! I am NOT saying Google is biased BUT that realnewsposts.org is! The posts THERE are ALL one-sided - fueling the fire of each others bigotry & ignorance about FACTS. Did YOU bother to read ANY outside information NOT posted @realnewsposts.org?? I doubt it, otherwise you would be informed about the reality of universal health care in nations other than the USA, which ALL are imperfect system as well. But Obama Care is bad, I agree. Get balanced 'news'.
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MJThompson, listen to the insane non-sense that you have written, that is:
"Did YOU bother to read ANY outside information NOT posted realnewsposts.org..."

For again Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS), what Republicans and right-wing Media call "Socialism" and oppose in proving what EVIL they are, is 100% supported by ALL Developed Nations from Canada to UK to Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans, Obama/Clinton Democrats & the right-wing Media
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So you have to be Brain dead or Brain washed like you and TEAPublicans in USA are thanks to Wall Street right-wing Media lies, NOT to have "read ANY outside information" since all Media in all Developed Nations from Canada to UK to Germany t to again Israel, they are all 100% for their NHS as the only way to operate Healthcare of a Country and they are all terrified and mortified by state of Healthcare in USA.

For more Google or Anoox:

How is Healthcare in UK operated
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Or

How is Healthcare in Canada operated

Or

How is Healthcare in France operated

SO, if you actually "read ANY outside information" than Brain washing lies you get from Fox and right-wing lying Media in US, you see that entire Developed World operates Healthcare on Universal Socialized basis, because to operate Healthcare on for profit Wall Street based basis is EVIL and all who support this will Go to HELL for 100s of 1000s of Americans they KILL Per Year due to NO Healthcare.
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Fardoush, you can represent all the FACTS you want to these People in USA that have been made Brain Dead by Fox and such right-wing lying machines, but because they have been made into such "Brain Dead" creatures, it will make no difference. All they will do is throw a rant back instead.
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SPOILER ALERT: Assuming I get my news exclusively from FOX opposed to the incredibly BIASED realnewspost.org like you,reveals your ignorance to the true definition of "FACTS". In the U.S., those controlling the journalists’ pens are corporate leaders rather than government leaders. In the U.S., there are six corporate media giants that own 90% of the U.S. media market — GE, News-Corp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner, and CBS. Conversely, the remaining 10% are organizations like
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the Associated Press, Wall Street Journal, Google News, the BBC, Reuters. ALL of them offer BALANCED reporting. They are NOT one-sided, opinionated, slanted, biased distortions of facts – OFFERING ONLY one ideological perspective. Of course, you actually have to read those publications regularly to get the full picture of REAL NEWS, something rarely accomplished by closed-minded individuals bent on propaganda that forces only THEIR views.
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Why does every question asked on here attract political replies and subsequently heated arguments? Its totally irreverent and annoying when we receive emails notifying us of a reply to come here to read about bloody politics
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MJ, did you actually say that: "ALL of them offer BALANCED reporting..."
Really? Which one of them have told American People, on regular basis, that all Developed Nations have, that is 100% of all Developed Nations, from UK to Germany to Canada, etc., have:
"Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS)"
And WHY? Because NHS while giving Healthcare (for Life) to all their People FREE for Taxes they pay, results in spending 50% LESS, not more, but spending 50% LESS, on Healthcare
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compared to USA for profit Wall Street based Healthcare, where 50-Million+ Americans have NO Healthcare or affordable Healthcare, because Healthcare is operated on for profit Wall Street based. Above FACT alone is absolute proof of what lying machine Wall Street Media from CNN to MSNBC to Fox to Google, etc. who hide these facts from American People.

And these same right-wing lying Media is why USA is engaged in War after War while Canada our Northern neighbor is engaged in almost NONE

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God being Omnipresent is not the samething as "heaven". In simple terms there are three abodes, Heaven, Earth, and Hell. And within these three are different levels of existence or intensities. Heaven or Paradise above is the residence of God and the holy angels and the saints. Earth is the place where humans and other creatures live their terrestrial existence. And Hell or or Hell fire with eternal torments below is where satan and demons and the evil people will be imprisoned. No human can come to God the Father except by Iesous, and there is salvation in no other but Christ alone.
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Heaven is a reality. It is a space where the spirits operating our planet settle down.
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Thank you for you comment.

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For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: Rom 7:18
None of us has the innate capacity to make personal contact with God (the God of the Bible). We only have the ability to make contact with the universal sinful energy (or what some new age mystics refer to as god) that conjured up this world of sin. The Bible tells us of God "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which "no man" can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.1 Tim 6:16. The true God dwells in light that no man can approach to or can see.

The so called 'god',light energy or infinite presence that we have access to is the false promise of satan in the garden of Eden. Ye shall be as gods if ye eat of the forbidden tree of good (i.e consciousness) and evil (form) & the promise of satan in eden is attained by marrying the two contrary parts of the tree i.e good and evil in order to produce the hexagram or the perfected child.
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The Ego (desire to be god thought process) that conjured up this illusory life experience is who and what we are in this 3D plane. We are the mouthpiece and the players, the puppets, that perpetuate the "we can be god if we look within agenda" (the same promise of satan to eve in Gen 3:5) It’s this agenda that seeks to be “god”. In reality, we have "exclusive" access to God in Christ. (Acts 4:12) meaning he that does not accept Jesus Christ in his heart by faith has no ...
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access or contact with God. Unlike the occult that tells us that we all have equal access to the inner christ (which leads to god consciousness), Christianity tells us that only those who accept in the heart Christ have access to the God
Now if any man "have not" the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his Rom 8:9.
Finally, in answer to your main question, yes it is possible to have heaven consciousness on earth. Jesus tells us thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. When you reject...
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..the inner spark of the accursed kundalini serpent within and are reborn (by faith) of Christ (who is beyond your body, present consciousness) you will experience reality (or heaven) as it is right now.
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For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and "ye shall be as gods," knowing good and evil. Gen 3:5
The whole satanic occult agenda involves becoming "as" gods (i.e it is patterned after the true God) by knowing good and evil (i.e balancing the two opposing parts/pillars of nature into one) So what is, we in our hubris want to become by rejecting God and looking within but we are all bound to fail.
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correction, I meant ) So God what is,... above, not what is
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I see that you have strong opinions and a faith that works for you. May Peace be with you.
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Berrinton = again your gift of prose coupled with an awareness of little used terminology presents a very interesting perspective. The many analogies you've employed to present your understanding of truth is always refreshing & unique, while at the same time, definitely applicable to any sincere seeker of truth. Peace!
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Well said MJ. We are in agreement. Smile.

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In my experience, Heaven and Hell are both experienced here on Earth but in different dimensions which we can go back and forth in based on our perceptions. I know what I'm about to write is reverse to what some believe but I can only speak from what I know. The spiritual exists in the first dimension (1D). It's a place of no time and space where everyone is one. It has no physical presence. In the second dimension (2D), it's very cartoon-like though it appears a little more like plasma than the reality most people are used to. In the third dimension (3D), it's more physical and what most people are used to. Then there's the fourth dimension (4D) which is very physical. Now the thing is Heaven is a very individual concept because it depends on your mood moment by moment which determines the dimension best for you at any given point. Some days you want to lay on a hammock and some days you want to race cars. True happiness is ever-changing. Good luck on your own path to Heaven!
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I should add that whatever you know is what is true. My description above is accurate for me but if you believe in specific religions, their rules apply to what you'll experience. Eventually you learn that you are in control based on your perceptions, fears, etc... At the end of the day, nobody is every wrong (for as hard as that may be to believe).
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Excellent points Radiant11:11. What you have explained sounds to me like you walk a spiritual path. Could it be that Heaven is actually a state of God Consciousness?
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That's correct. I'm on my last life so every question I ever had has been answered. I wrote a book on the subject and if you'd like to read the portion that deals with the various types of heaven and hell, just message me with your email address and I'll email you that portion of my book which explains it in detail so you don't have to buy the book. The only stipulation is that you don't promote the book under any circumstances. It can only be found by those seeking it per my agreement.
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Very cool Radiant11:11. I will email you soon. Have you seen my spiritual blog? Just check my profile here. We can carry on conversations there too. My wife and I are writing a spiritual book together. Come join the fun!
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Excellent reply.
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Radiant11:11 Please may I be allowed to read the section of your book relating to your reply? I'm of very similar belief and find your point very interesting. Thanks

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