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What day is the True Sabbath of the Bible Saturday/Sunday/or other?
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
What is the proper day to worship God and rest according to Bible Scriptures? What day do you observe? What are the benefits of worshiping on this day?
The True Sabbath is Sundown-to-Sundown (Friday-Saturday) which has remained the same since ancient times, but the Passover for example or the "High Sabbath" may not be currently known at least in the mainstream today, and this could be if it is true because of Breaking Away (Sin) that was done in the past, but would still be revealed to people when the appointed times of YHWH arise.
Hi. Good question. The Bible declares:
"On the seventh day God ended His work which He had made, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work, and God sanctified the seventh day because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made." - Gen.2:1-3. This is the first mention of the seventh day. Notice that God sanctified the seventh day, which means He set it apart for holy use. Thus, the seventh day is the only day in the Bible which we have a record of God sanctifying it. All other days are on the same footing. "the seventh day is the Sabbath" - Exo.20:10, notice that it does not say "the seven days is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" it says, the seventh day is the Sabbath. Thus the Sabbath is the Lord's day. "The Son of man is the Lord even of the Sabbath." - Mark 2:2:28. Jesus calls Himself the Lord of the seventh day - Sabbath. This is not my opinion, or what Bible scholars said, it He Himself speaking.
The idea that all the days are the same is obviously not coming from the Bible. The seventh day is Friday sunset, till Saturday sunset. That's the Bible Sabbath. Incidently, the Jews that had been keeping the Sabbath long before Christ's incarnation had always kept the Sabbath and they never changed their position. To this day they keep the Sabbath from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset. As for me, I observe the Sabbath of Christ which is the seventh day.
Getting to the last question. There are so many benefits for Sabbath observance. If all people kept the Sabbath, they would not be atheists. Because you can't be seventh day Sabbath keeping atheist. Thus Sabbath forever reminds us where we come from that it is God "who made us and not we ourselves" - Psalm 100:3. The body needs rest, God made it that way, and today many are discovering the dangers of not giving the body the rest God has intended for it.
Sabbath is also a time of spiritual re-connection.Putting all the cares of the world aside, and just having an uninterrupted time with the Lord.We all know that relationships develop when the individuals spend time together, thus Sabbath beautifully nurtures our relationship with our Maker.Jesus said it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath. While Sabbath keeping does not suggest labor, it is also true that resting on the Sabbath does not suggest laziness.We are to reach the afflicted on this day
Read this, and then tell me Jesus doesn't move some of us to treat every day alike.
Jesus has called me to treat every day as if it is the Sabbath.
Who are you to judge me, or say it is not Biblical to treat every day alike?
Romans 14:4-6a KJV
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6a He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it . . . . . . . .
Leroy – I agree with everything you said about the Sabbath as it is laid out in the OT & as referred to in the NT in association with Jesus & as commented on by the apostles. However, there is an important distinction between the old & the new covenant - which REPLACED the old. Research indeed shows that during the time that Christ walked the earth, He did so as a Jew. Because his primary mission was as Messiah (a term exclusive to the Jewish religion), to the Jews, He was quite
naturally an exemplary Jew – to fulfill their prophecies regarding their Messiah. The scripture says He came to His own (exclusively Jews) but His own received Him not - [Jn. 1:11]. Because of the Jews rejection of Christ, the preaching of the kingdom of God was open to the Gentile nations. Although Christ’s first converts & early disciples were Jews, as more & more Gentiles began to accept Christ as their Savior, a dispute about
whether new converts who were not Jews had to observe Jewish ordinances in order to be saved. This led to the council of 50AD held in Jerusalem. Those who thought Jewish laws & ordinances must also be observed by gentile converts argued against those who received from the Holy Spirit that such regulations should not be imposed on those who were never under the law in the first place. The council’s conclusion is recorded in the book of Acts. “Since we have heard that some who went
out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, ‘you must be circumcised & keep the law’ —to whom we gave no such commandment … For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, & to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than THESE NECESSARY THINGS: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well, farewell” – Ac. 15: 24-29. It should be quite obvious to
to every sincere seeker of truth that when the Word of God expressly distinguishes a specific passage by prefacing it with the phrase ‘For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, & to us’, that what follows is TRUTH specific to the whole context of the passage. It is further emphasized by the phrase which is in Caps – ‘THESE NECESSARY THINGS’.
If ANYTHING more than those very specific ‘things’ (such as sabbath distinction) were indeed NECESSARY, surely they would be included. But the conclusion DOES NOT mention sabbath, merely – “If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well”. The reason is to put a final ‘nail in the coffin’ of the debate over GRACE vs. WORKS. Sadly, many miss the point over the 'DISOBEDIENCE" that prevents them from truly 'entering into' THAT REST. They prefer WORKS rather than GRACE. Peace!
Our works are as filthy rags.
The works we need to accomplish are the works of Christ, mainly Christ's work on the cross.
If you mingle your filthy works with Christ, to be saved, then you never will get saved.
Certainly we have good works, but those works do NOT save us.
We are called to ask Jesus to work in us His good Will, therefore, any works we do are God's works working THROUGH us.
Working to save yourself is eternal death.
Christ working through you is eternal life!
SaintlyMic Yes our works are as filthy rag I agree, but I am talking about works we do for Christ such as spreading His Gospel, helping the poor, trying to help the sinner to change his ways and come back to God. I am not talking about works we do for ourselves in everyday life. We have to have works for God and unwavering faith in God to please Him.
Hi SaintlyMic. Thanks for the response. With respect, I would like to believe that Jesus would have us be obedient, and so He could never inform any person to break any of the Ten Commandments.
"I have kept my Father’s commands" - John 15:10. These are His own words.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
@Mr Thompson. Thanks for the reply. In the book of Hebrews chapter 8 we read:
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:" - verse 10. From this verse it appears to me that the new covenant is very much connected to the law of God. I agree with you when you say we are not to keep the other laws pertaining to ceremonies like circumcision.
But the weekly Sabbath commandment is part of the Ten Commandments which are still valid. We can't keep nine commandments, neither can we can say it is okay to break any of the Ten Commandments. Paul says, "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." - 1 Corin.7:19
Indeed, the debate continues. Those who proclaim that observation of particular ceremonies, rituals, days, months, etc. are entitled to believe according to their personal convictions. However, in the desire to maintain unity among believers, it must be understood that not all such beliefs are accepted by others who never-the-less are equally committed to their right relationship with Christ & His Truth. Scripture contains TRUTH – all believers should agree with that, without a doubt.
. But many do NOT agree on some truth. Theologians divide biblical truth into two categories to hopefully comprehend the reason for the many disputed doctrines throughout Christendom. There is UNIVERSAL ETERNAL TRUTH (that which applies to everyone, everywhere, forever). Then there is also LOCAL TEMPORAL TRUTH (that which applies only to a specific people, in a specific place or time, for a specified season or dispensation. The Old Covenant was to a specific people (the Jews),
for ONLY a specified time (until Christ’s earthly mission was fulfilled & the New Covenant was established). Whether a person understands or accepts this or not, Grace has been lavished upon true believers to compensate fully for such ignorance. Those who hold to such teachings cover their presumed requirements through obedience to those regulations in hopes of pleasing GOD. But they should never judge others who faithfully love & serve God without deference to such regulations,
, yet actually serve HIM EVERYDAY, without compromise. God alone knows the heart & what motivates a believer to do what they do by observation of a law or ritual, ceremony, etc. As committed to obedience as a person may think they are by such observances, the moment they begin to judge others who are not similarly persuaded, they have shown ‘fruits’ of having a critical spirit. Jesus declared that a person is known by their fruit.
. Certainly, that should be more of a major concern while debating days & sabbaths. “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ” – Col. 2:16,17.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Heb 4:10
@Den14, the sabbath is "not" a day. It is an eternal "state" that you attain in Christ when you rest from your works (your own ways) like God did from his (after he created the world). The sabbath day is merely a "symbol" of this state that's what mj means when he quotes col 2:16-17, the sabbath day is merely a shadow of the spiritual reality
For the law having a "shadow" of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Heb 10:1
The law (which includes the sabbath) is a shadow of truth. Under the law, we are required to continually obey ordinances and commandments day by day, week by week, month by mont,h and year by year. The law is a continuous cycle of bondage that "never ends"
..till the day we die because it "never" makes us perfect. We kill bulls and goats and bath in their blood every year. We obey sabbaths all our lives. We keep the law letter for letter everyday and yet we still remain in the filthy pit of sin because we reject God's grace. But the grace of God is a once and for all event that assures salvation
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ "once for all". Heb 10:10
We can enter that rest "right now" once and for all by being reborn of Christ (i.e resting from our own ways and allowing Christ to work in us) or we can keep going in endless cycles of today next week next year 10 years that will take us nowhere.
We can continue to bath in the blood of goats and bulls every year like the law or the shadow tells us or we can once and for all realize right now that the blood of bulls and goats symbolizes the precious and eternal
James tells us that whosoever keeps the whole law, and yet offends in "one" point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 so if we want the law and the 10 commandments in their "literal" form then we must obey the whole law which means if we keep the 10 commandments but don't bath in the blood of bulls and goats, circumcise males , stone adulterers to death etc then we are guilty of not keeping the law in God's sight. So we have 2 choices, keep the whole literal law...
Berrinton - You posted: "the sabbath is "not" a day. It is an eternal "state" that you attain in Christ when you rest from your works (your own ways) like God did from his (after he created the world). The sabbath day is merely a "symbol" of this state..." Your helpful explanation reminds me = "According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 1Cor.3:10. Others have
attempted to add mere rubble to the foundation, still stuck in a self-centered attitude of works. But you have obviously been freed from such. Everyone reading would do well to take note - fearful of NOT entering into HIS rest. Peace!
You have every right to 'think' whatever you like @den14. God gives us freewill to think and believe in anything we like but the truth is not subject to our thoughts. It just is. If the sabbath (which is part of the law) is (literally) a day, then it means the whole law should also be taken literally. It means you must stone all adulterers to death like the law tells us (whether they are your relatives . It means we must be circumcise our young with stones like Abraham did.
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Rom 2:29
Romans 2:29 lets us understand that circumcision is not of the penis. (literal) It is a thing of the heart.
So you either go with the "whole" literal law or understand that the literal law is a veil which can only be unveiled in Christ (2 cor 3:14,16)
You cant halt between two opinions. You cant say I will take here a little and then there a little. You must choose btw the two options available to you. Do I want the letter of the law that kills or do I want the Spirit of the law (Jesus Christ) that liberates.
Do I want to believe Col 2:16-17 that makes me understand that the (literal) sabbaths are mere shadows of deeper realities or do i want to take the ot literally and observe the sabbaths week by week? The choice is yours.
And if your choice is to go with the literal, then you must also bath with the blood of bulls and goats every year because that is what the (literal) law commands. You must also be the 1st to stone your unbelieving relatives who seek to turn you away from God to death (Deut 13:9)
For the purpose of accuracy, it wasn't recorded that Abraham circumcised isaac with a stone. Zipporah Moses wife was the person who circumcised her son with a stone (Exo 4:25) so my statement "we must be circumcise our
young with stones like Abraham did" was a mere "assumption" on my part based on Exo 4:25 (because the Bible didn't explicitly tell us the instrument that Isaac was circumcised with)
BERRINTON The 10 Commandments do not say anything about stoning, circumcising,etc. When Jesus was crucified and the veil in the temple was rent those old ways of sacrificing bulls and goats was done away with but the Ten Commandment was not done away with. The NT speaks of all of them and Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath by worshiping in the temple on the Sabbath Day and so did his disciples. Jesus read from the book of Isaiah. The Sabbath, the 4th Commandment needs to be observed today also.
Sadly there remains much ignorance & confusion regarding the relevance of the Law to non-Jews. The Council of 50AD convened by the original apostles merely 20 years after Christ's Ascension concluded -" Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, You must be circumcised and keep the Law'' —to whom we gave no such commandment...it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, & to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these -
necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, & from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from THESE, you will do well - Ac. 15:24-28. NOTICE, there is ZERO mention of sabbath or 10 Commandments (which both are the Law the Judaisers were trying to put new converts under). As Berrinton has elaborated - it"s either ALL or NOTHING when it comes to abiding by the LAW. Although many doctrines claim only the sacrifice was fulfilled by Christ
& the rest of the Law is still in force, scripture teaches the EXACT opposite -ALL the Law was fulfilled in Christ, replaced by HIS NEW COVENANT. The NEW fully, completely replaced the Old. Several in-depth articles about the relevance of the Law to Christians are posted on my blog>>> mjthompsons.wordpress.com. A precise & detailed review of scripture's related to this subject are provided for an objective critique.
@DEN14, Dont misquote the Bible. Read scripture carefully before you respond. You write "If we break one of the ten Commandment God says we have broken them all! You can find all. James tells us " whosoever keeps the whole "law", and yet offends in "one" point, he is guilty of all. James "didn't" say if you break one commandment you have broken all. He said if you break one law and offend in one point you are guilty of all. The 10 commandments are part of the law.
The 10 commandments are part of the law. Deut 13:9 which tells us to stone our relatives who disobey God is a part of the law. Besides have you read John 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had "broken the sabbath," but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus broke the (Literal) sabbath. This is scripture. I advise you read the links that mj recommended. It will only take a few minutes but you will leave refreshed.
In order to aid a proper comprehension of what I wrote, when I wrote James "didn't" say if you break one commandment you have broken all I was referring to the "10 commandments". So i meant break one of the 10 commandments.
Commandment 1 - I am the LORD GOD, You shall have no other gods before Me. Yet people who deny the deity of Christ worship Him as a 'lesser god'! 2. You shall not make idols. Tet instead of fully accepting the completed work of Christ as sufficient for salvation, many think that obedience to Jewish Law is also necessary. 3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. But too few 'Law Keepers' even know what the term "vain" infers. There are several synonyms indicating arrogance
or boastfulness,haughty & egotistic which too many commentators here are guilty of by claiming those who disagree are damned for it. Of course, other terms also define 'vain' meaning futile, abortive, ineffective & worthless. By using the Lord's name to support their private dogma they have virtually rendered the NAME powerless. Then too, many try to emphasize one name OVER all others while disregarding scripture's admonition that the Name of Jesus is the only name by which man can be saved
& come to truly know God as He has revealed Himself through the Incarnation. Finally, those who continue to over-confidently proclaim their pet doctrines do indeed break this 3rd commandment. The point is that over emphasis of the 4th (sabbath) actually causes proponents of a particular day to transgress against the 9th - You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Because insisting to another the unscriptural teaching of the necessity to keep the sabbath to a new convert to Christ
ignores the 15th chapter of Acts which is written to Christians, unlike the Law (containing the 10 commandments) that was given ONLY to the Jews. So one must ask - are you a Christian or a Jew? Keep ALL the Law or be guilty of breaking the Whole of the Law. Accept grace instead & enjoy the liberty that God provides in Christ. But whatever you choose, do not judge another thinking you alone are right.
@DEN14, you are cleverly trying to avoid these issues.
1. James tells us that he who disobeys one part of the "law" (not just the 10 commandments) disobeys all of it. Meaning if you keep the law and dont stone your relatives to death (Deut 13:9) you have disobeyed the whole law.
2. Jesus "broke" the (literal) sabbath (John 5:18). Keeping the sabbath is one of the 10 commandments. Why are you silent on that?
You write "The 10 Commandments are still in force today and they are all in the NT. Jesus tells us He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17) But that same Jesus broke the sabbath by "working" on the sabbath day. So was Jesus lying when he said he came not to destroy the law but fulfill it or the law? How can Jesus who claimed that he didnt come to destroy the law but fulfill it break the law of the sabbath?
The sabbath (and all other commandments) are fulfilled in Christ and Christ alone. He is the fulfillment of the law. He that hath been reborn of Christ need not worry or work any longer because he has fulfilled the spiritual law. Jesus told Paul that his mission was "...to open their eyes, so they may turn from darkness to light Acts 26:18 . Do you actually think that the gentiles were physically blind people who couldnt see? They could see with their (physical) eyes of course
They could read and understand the literal law but they were spiritually blind. The revelation of Christ in the heart is the opening of our spiritual eyesight which enables us to see things as they are which is why Eph 1:18 tells us "The eyes of your understanding being enlightened... Your eyes need to be enlightened to see the Spirit behind the law. The psalmist asked God to open his eyes that he might see wondrous things out of his law. You think the psalmist was blind? No he wasnt..
You think he couldnt read the law on his own? Do you actually think that the Einsteins and Bill Gates of our age cant read the Bible and grasp its literal significance? Of course they can but they lack the ability to see its real spiritual import.
Then he opened their minds, that they might "understand" the Scriptures.. Luke 24:45
Unless Jesus reveals the deeper meaning of the law and commandments to you, you will remain in ignorance and would be unable to see within the vail (2 cor 3:14)
@MJThompson I appreciate your commentary. By broadening the commandments in order to reveal their spiritual import, you demonstrated how it is possible to keep the 10 literal commandments and still fall short of them spiritually. Some other examples are thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill and thou shall not commit adultery Many of us dont steal from one another but we steal God's glory by making it ours. Thou shall not kill. Many of us havent murdered anyone physically but the..
Bible makes us understand that he that hates his brother is a murderer (1 John 3:15) Just by hating your brother you have murdered him. Thou shall not commit adultery. Some of us will boast that we have never committed adultery in our lives and have remained faithful to our spouses but James 4:4 tells us that friends of the world are adulterers and adulteresses. So just keeping the 10 commandments in their literal form is inadequate. We need Jesus to fulfill them in our lives.
However, I would love to "humbly" disagree with you a "bit" when you write "...,haughty & egotistic which too many commentators here are guilty of by
claiming those who disagree are damned for it"
Jesus told the Jews "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13:5 Paul and Barnabas told the Jews "But seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life. Those who disagree with the truth are damned. There is no haughtiness or egotism ..
... in that. It is the truth and it must be declared with all passion. If there is no absolute truth or standard, then why must we repent? Why are we Christians? Why must we preach? Why not just remain the way we are and let everyone live their lives the way they want to. There are absolute standards which we must do well to uphold. Jesus Himself tells us in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be "damned".
..In other words, if you dont agree with my verdict that you must be baptized you will be damned. This is Jesus and He wasnt being arrogant. He was only being truthful. Paul tells us "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." If you dont believe the truth but have pleasure inunrighteousness, you will be damned. God's way is to tell the fiery truth and leave it to others to accept or reject.
Jesus did as He said He came not to do away with the law but to fulfill it. It was written many times in the OT of His coming. Jesus pardoned the woman caught in adultery and send her away without stoning her but telling her to go and sin no more. God made the laws & they are for us and Jesus (God) can do good even on the Sabbath Day, it is not sin. We are not God's and and no where is the 10 Commandments does it tell us to stone people for their sins. Jesus is the only one who can forgive sin.
Jesus was without sin, if he had sin in any way none of us could be saved by Him! Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the law and so it is still in place. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The law is still in force, and it is not our duty to punish anyone for their sins, be it adultery or whatever. only God will do that at the proper time. Those men back in the OT times were sinning when they did that and they will have to answer to God someday for that.
@DEN14, you are contradicting yourself. You wrote :"Jesus
said that He did not come to destroy the law and so it is "still" in place and then you wrote"Jesus pardoned the woman caught in adultery and send her away without stoning her but telling her to go and sin no more.
What does the law command: The law commands that an adulterer be put to death (Lev 20:10) So if the law is still in place , why didn't Jesus obey it by having her stoned? Cant you see the contradiction of your argument?
One minute you say " The law is still in force, The next minute you say it is not our duty to punish anyone for their sins, You are halting btw 2 opinions and are unwilling to stick with one. If the (literal) law is in force, then Jesus would have had her stoned to death. But it isnt that is why He didn't. Besides have you read Num 25:8 "And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague...
..was stayed from the children of Israel. Num 25:8
God stopped a plague because Phineas murdered adulterers. (He later commended his action in v s11-13) This is the law. So why are you telling me it is not our duty to punish
anyone for their sins, be it adultery or whatever. Are you trying to tell me that God was wrong or made a mistake by telling Phineas to kill. Common den14. The truth is obvious. Under the law you are required to kill so if it is still in place, then you must.
Finally you write "Those men back in the OT times were sinning when they did that and they will have to answer to God someday for that. You claim they were sinning and your claim further contradicts your argument? How could they be sinning when they were keeping the (literal) law which you promote? Read the verse that I quoted above. God commended Phineas for killing the adulterers (Num 25:11-13) So how could he have been sinning? He obeyed what the law said. Kill. Just like you...
I didnt say dont keep the law so prov 29:18 is irrelevant.If you read what i wrote carefull,, you would even see where i said that Christ said he came to fulfill the law and not destroy it. My point has always been keep the law in its true spiritual form. (which can only be attained in Christ.
When Exo 20:13 tells us "thou shall not kill" and Leviticus 24:17 tells us- And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death they mean do not kill "for reasons contrary to those justified under the law for killing.
Phineas Killed because the couple committed adultery.
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Lev 20:10
And God commended Him for his action:
Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace: Num 25:12
Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.
And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore. Psalm 106:30-31
So yes killing is justified under the (literal) law if it is meant to eradicate adulterers or unbelievers. David slayed Goliath. This was very justified under the law.
I sincerely hope that your latest admission "Yes we are living in the new covenant and as we should keep the law in its true spiritual form through Jesus Christ! Thank you BERRINTON! means that you have come to realize that the (literal) law (including the sabbath) can only be fulfilled in Christ and that without Christ, it is only symbolic of (or a shadow) of spiritual truth.
Berrinton – Regarding your post: “However, I would love to "humbly" disagree with you a "bit" when you write "...,haughty & egotistic which too many commentators here are guilty of by claiming those who disagree are damned for it …” – There is NO disagreement about your conclusion: “It is the truth and it must be declared with all passion”. I was NOT referring to TRUE BELIEVERS, my citing of egotism is reserved for promoters of FALSE doctrines that they think are truth, Peace!
Den14 - As Berrinton stated clearly - it's the SPIRITUAL application of the Law that God has 'written' in the hearts of true believers - superseding & absolutely replacing any & all LAW written on tablets of stone. The 'letter' of the Law in which the sabbath is contained) KILLS. It is the spirit of it that produces LIFE ETERNAL.
Only God will can punish us for our sins, not man. and if we truly repent of our sins Jesus will forgive us and if our sins are red He will remove them and make us white as snow, This is because He died for our sins and is able to forgive us! He is God and our Savior!!
God declared the seventh day of the week holy at Creation because He rested on the seventh day to commemorate His creation of this world! The word holy means "set apart." God made the seventh day uniquely different from the other six days at Creation – not at Mount Sinai! It was God who set the seventh day apart from the others. (Genesis 2:2,3)
@DEN14 You are still playing the here a little and there a little game when you write "The word holy means "set apart." God made
the seventh day uniquely different from the other six days at Creation – not at MountSinai! It was God who set the seventh day apart from the others." The God who set apart the sabbath is the "same" God who commanded that the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put
to death. ( Lev 20:10 ) so why are you turning a blind eye to Lev 20:10?
You cant stall btw two opinions. You either go with the letter or go with the spirit behind the letter.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 2:3
Besides, God "didn't" command anyone to keep the Sabbath in Genesis (i.e after creation) He only sanctified it and set it apart as Holy. In Genesis, the seventh day (last day of the week) symbolized the conclusion of God's work. Spiritually, the..
..sabbath symbolizes the conclusion of God's work in you. 6 days (6 is the number of man because man was created on the 6day) you toil and labor and do your own way. But when you cease from your own works (i.e put an end to self) you enter the seventh day or God's rest.
Me in italy, me in spain and me in the US is still me. In a similar vein, God in Genesis, God in exodus and God in the NT is still God. So if you are willing to obey God in Genesis, why do you disobey him in Leviticus?
In a literal sense, no day is more holy than another. All days are the alike. They all consist of 24 hours (12 of night and 12 of day) so it is only in human "perception" that Saturday differs from Monday or Tuesday differs from Sunday. "Ideally" they are all the same. They are all Days which we assign names to (in order to differentiate them.)
The literal law requires us to keep a "single" day holy but the spiritual law does "not" require us to be holy on a single day of the week..
...& go around sinning/working for the remaining 6 days. You are required to be holy at "all times" i.e be at rest at all times. The literal law tells us to keep working every six days and rest every seventh but the spiritual law tells us to stop working once and for all and eternally enter God's rest.
.. although the works were "finished" from the foundation of the world. Heb 4:3
God has "finished" his works. He no longer works. He is resting....
God "no longer" works sunday monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday and rests on Saturday. God has rested eternally i.e once and for all since the day that he finished his works. God wants you to follow His example and once and for all rest so you wouldn't have to go in unending cycles of rest today and work tomorrow
So you can "tune into" the eternal state of rest "right now" (by allowing Jesus Christ fulfill the law in you) or you can keep on being tuned into the unending time cycle of works and rest. (by adhering to the literal law)
@den14 I am telling you the truth not judging you. The Bible tells us to earnestly contend for the faith. When you tell people the truth, you dont judge them. You just show them things as they are and its up to them to accept or reject. If you are not judging me & mj by stating why you think that the (literal) Sabbath must be upheld, then how can you claim that I am judging you for stating why the Sabbath must be fulfilled spiritually????
You claim God wants us to work for his glory??? Then why did Christ have to die for your sins if God knew you could work for his glory? God wants Christ to work in you. He doesn't want you to work because your works are fall short of his standards.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Phil 2:13
Besides you are contradicting yourself again
@den14 :Yes our works are as filthy rag I agree,
@ den14 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Why do you judge our works as filthy rags when the Bible tells us not to judge? Why not follow what the Bible says (literally) and not judge our works? We contradict ourselves anytime we refuse to follow the Spirit of the Word.
6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not.
@den14 Stop quoting scripture out of context. Paul worked in order that he might "not be a burden to the Thessalonians." He didn't work in order to justify himself in God's sight. You missed out the most important part of the verse",.... but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might "not be a burden to any of you." Rather than misquote scripture, why dont you humbly address your contradictions.
Besides, the same Paul tells us in 1 cor 9:11-12 :"1 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ and vs 14-15:" Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel....
But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void."
So Paul by virtue of his being a laborer in God's vineyard was "entitled" not to work and live off the other christians. But he chose not to out of "love" in order not to be a burden to others and thus hinder the gospel.
"Sabbath" means "Rest", which was established on Friday night at even (6:00 pm) up to Saturday night at even (6:00 pm). Therefore the Sabbath day is actually Sabbath day(S), all Friday NIGHT and all Saturday DAY. Now Sabbath Day and the Lord's Day are different. The Lord's day is Sunday, his Resurrection Day. Therefore the Sabbath "day" would be SaturDAY; and then the Lord's "day" would be Sunday "morning", which is when Christians gather at church to worship the Lord.
I completly believe in following Elohin's commandments and the teachings of Yeshua.
Paul says in Colothians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days".
An also at the end of the world says Isa 66:23-24 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
So since there is not mention of a specific day to worship, I follow my heart and the commandment of Elohim, since I am free in Yeshua's salvation and protected by Paul's words. I follow Sabbath as it states in Lev 16:31 "It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever".
The answer to what day is the ‘true sabbath’ lies in a proper understanding (Holy Spirit breathed) of the significance between the Old & New Testaments. The centuries-old debate over these two covenants will continue among those who hold to LAW against those that have grasped GRACE. A deeper research is required on that matter, but is NOT the subject of present attention. The 1st record of ‘command’ regarding the Sabbath is “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” - - Ex.20:8. Many attempt to heed the LETTER of the Law, completely missing the intended ‘spirit’ behind it. God RESTED from Creation on the ‘7th day’. & in instituting the Sabbath He desired similar REST for His people at least every 7th day. By time Christ came, the religious leaders had made the Sabbath a thing to be strictly observed, rather than enjoyed as the REST it was intended to be. Jesus was therefore constantly ridiculed & accused of breaking the Sabbath. TO BE CONT.>>>
“For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the sabbath” – Jn. 5:16. “Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God” – Jn. 5:18. “The Pharisees said [of Christ], “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” – Jn.9:16. The writer of Hebrews explained the true purpose of the sabbath.
. The writer of Hebrews explained the true purpose of the sabbath. “For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works … For he who has entered His REST has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His…Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience” –Heb.4:4,10,11. Sadly, many teach & many accept the ‘obedience’ to the
the traditions of man with regards to sabbath rather than the oracles of God as proclaimed by Jesus, thereby missing not only the point, but the REST God has provided for them in Christ. Paul warned about not rightly discerning the purpose of the sabbath. “Let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths” – Col.2:16. Those who fully understand the intent of the sabbath as REST, celebrate it EVERY day through the Holy Spirit unto the Lord.
But now the most people observe Sunday! This in in spite of what God tells us to do. And there is not much rest in them as they attend church, come home and do things that please them like cutting grass, etc!
As Jesus said, the Sabbath was made for Man not Man for the Sabbath. The Spirit behind the letter is surely about making time for God, which Christians should try to do every day, I would suggest. The NT says that believers came together on the first day of the week to break bread. That's good enough for me. [Act 20:7 KJV] 7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them.
MJ, Youve pretty much said it all so I dont think there is any need for me to answer. I will only re-emphasize some of the verses that you quoted "For he who has entered His REST has himself also ceased from his works
as God did from His…Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall
according to the same example of disobedience” –Heb.4:4,10,
Cease from your works by dethroning self and enthroning Christ. That is the Sabbath.
@DEN14, Sunday= Sun dei= sun god. Sunday is named after the sun god.
Sunday= venerates the pagan sun god.
It is the "1st" day of the week= kabalists believe that everything is 1st and foremost light/ohr before it is diced into form. Light or what we refer to consciousness / thought is the 1st substance which creates matter. So sunday worship comes from paganism . MJ has provided the perfect escape from pagan influences. Do not observe days. Dont attach importance to anyday..
The early Christians may have kept the Sabbath, because they were mostly Jews, but they also met on the First Day, as I quoted previously. They went to the synagogues on the Sabbath to reason with people.
There is no commandment anywhere in the New Testament that we should keep the Sabbath.
TWIC: Focus on God’s revealed INTENT = to provide man REST. It can be understood as literally – a physical rest – or taken spiritually, as in a soul’s redemption from the burden of sin. The later seems more appropriate. Those who merely focus on DAYS, push certain ones according to their denominational preferences. But they remain silent about the many sabbaths that the Law contains, which involve much more commanded observation than merely one DAY! Since the NT, which has completely
completely replaced the OT, contains NO such obligations, & true believers are Christians, NOT Jews, as everything else found it’s fulfillment in Christ – so also are all sabbaths. Christ said that He is ‘Lord of the sabbath’ – Mt.12:8. FOCUS on Him, NOT DAYS. Believe in HIM ABSOLUTELY, & He will set you free from any & all bondage to regulations, restrictions, & obligations to mere religious traditions attempting to masquerade as the true oracles of GOD.
The entire book of Hebrews (written to Jews who had accepted Jesus as Messiah) explains in exquisite detail how the ENTIRE Law was a mere SHADOW of the reality used in by the NT – fulfilled absolutely IN Christ. It was expressly written to provide those who were FORMERLY under the Law (as ONLY Jews ever were, NEVER Gentiles) to then understand ALL the typology (shadows, analogies) in the Law that merely pointed to Christ. By following Christ they likewise fulfill the requirements of the Law
by being in Him – the Lord of the sabbath! If anything becomes MORE important than Christ or competes for your affections (like certain days, laws, etc.), then you are FOCUSED on the WRONG things! Jesus is the ENTIRE point & sum of ALL scripture -PERIOD. Right relationship with HIM "TRUMPS" everything else. Endeavor only to KNOW HIM & He will give you REST. Peace!
Yes we should Love God above all things and that includes our family, friends, money, positions, cars, homes, and all things. He says: If you Love Me you will keep my commandments and that includes the 4th Commandment, which is to worship Him on the Sabbath Day.
But to whom did God say "If you Love Me you will keep my commandments"? To Jews Alone! The NT (to Christians) never includes ANY command worship Him on the Sabbath Day. Do NOT lose the greater point by emphasis on a given day which is temporal, pertaining to a time in a physical realm, NOT eternal! Be careful not to "strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!" - Mt. 23:24. Preconceived convictions placed by early assumptions of truth taught to us by others must be weighed in light of further
I think Jesus is speaking to all people and there are many places where Jesus wants you to worship on the Sabbath. He Himself Jesus and his followers worshiped on the Sabbath. He showed us the way by this. We need to try to be like Him.
Remember, Jesus resurrected Himself on the first day of the week, & it was the first day of the week of Christ's resurrection that the Saints were gathered together.
And ever since that first Sunday that Jesus was risen the Saints have gathered together.
The Sabbath was not discarded.
The first resurrection day was added & observed because it was the first day of the week that Jesus arose from the dead.
Jesus has called me to go one step closer to Christ.
I treat every day as the Sabbath.
I treat every day as the Sabbath too SaintlyMic, but where in the Bible does it say to observe the first day of the week? Many people call the 1st day of the week Sabbath and go to church on Sunday. God Bless you.
Most who worship or fellowship on Sunday do NOT do so as observing the sabbath - they know Sunday as 'the Lord's Day' because Christ was resurrected then. Those cults that keep a sabbath on Saturday are right about one of the sabbaths, but ignore the othes - at least 64 "Sabbaths" in each calendar year. Many weeks had multiple "Sabbaths", one a 7th day Sabbath, the other a "Holy Convocation", the 1st or last day of a feast. Often, there were Sabbath days back to back - 2 days in a row.
Just as often, a Feast day Sabbath occurred the same day as the "Sabbaton", (neuter plural), is also used to refer to a "week" of days, in other words, what we call a7 day "week" or 7th day Sabbath. Note the use of "Sabbaton" plural, referring to a "week" in Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1 & 19, Acts 20:7, and 1 Cor. 16:2 It was Jesus' custom to eat corn from the fields on the Sabbath days. He ate whenever He wanted to, whether it was one of the Sabbath days or not.
"Sabbaton" plural could mean that the day was both a seventh day Sabbath and a Feast Day Sabbath. Jesus has freed us from all "Sabbath keeping", both seventh day Sabbaths, and Feast day Sabbaths. Now, every day is a "Sabbath" where we rest from our own works, and allow God to work through us. In the Textus Receptus, "Sabbaton" plural also occurs in 1 Cor. 16:2, referring to a "week" of seven days.