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Posted On: 2016-08-17 19:20:53
Did God mean for man not be alone in the universe?
When God created Adam, He said that it was not good for man to be alone. So, He created Eve as a helper for him. Can this possibly be His approach to humanity’s existence in the universe, as well? Has God also provided helpers for us in the cosmos, that may include flesh and blood, corporeal beings like ourselves? Excluding angels and other celestial beings, that is. I would like to hear your take on this question related, of course, to the timeless one: Are we alone?
From what I have read in the Bible I believe there are other lives on other planets and when God said It is not good for man to be alone He was speaking of this earth at the time He created man. He also told afterward to go and replenish the earth and we certainly have done that. There used to be giants on the earth and there still are some left today too. I think that God will keep putting life on other planets in His immense universe. God has created uncountable billions of lives and all sorts of sizes and shapes! I believe in UFO's too. I saw one briefly years ago hovering over my farm and then shooting off at incredible speed! There is somithing to UFO's as too many people have seen them for it to be untrue.
All of this extra terrestrial stuff is a load of bolony. However, I do believe in spirits. You may refer to them as Angels, and obviously there are good ones and bad ones. Be sure too differentiate the to.
I really would like to hear from those who have speculations about the existence of extraterrestrials, even if it's not from a believer's point-of-view. Understanding the psychology of the feeling of "aloneness" in the cosmos can also be explored from different philosophical perspectives.
The Fermi Paradox is interesting. If you approach the question from this perspective, you too may wonder, given the probability that extraterrestrials do exist, why haven't we been visited yet?
A great link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
It's interesting that this discussion has veered off into speculations about suitable mates for Adam. And Berrinton's proposal that relationships with other humans don't matter, only with God, seems to make the act of Eve's creation irrelevant. As well as the creation of the New Testament church. Paul said not to forsake assembly. Praying for one another, forgiving one another, singing in the congregation are all communal facets of relatingships encouraged by the apostles. Relationships do matter. Ideally, as reflections of our relationship with God. But I digress, too.
The presence of animals on the planet doesn't constitute "the universe" to me. The universe, as understood by most, includes our galaxy and other galaxies in the vast expanse of infinite space. For God, who loves life and is life, how could He create life only on our little planet in this tiny corner of the universe?
@Trainer367 I think I was pretty clear "All human relations "must" therefore be geared towards becoming more godly for God is our
sole purpose for existence" and "God expected Adam to disobey His wife and obey His voice. But Adam chose obedience to the voice of His wife over truth so I think this clearly shows that a relationship with God is our true need." so I wonder why you claimed that my "so called" proposal claims that that relationships with other humans don't matter.
What do you understand by the term "All human relations "must" therefore be geared towards becoming more godly for God is our sole purpose" does it in any way sound like the proposal that you attributed to me "relationships with other humans don't matter?" God created Eve to help Adam. Eve was supposed to compliment Adam and enhance HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. The primary reason for our existence is to have a relationship with God. Any other relationship is secondary. Jesus rebuked Peter...
Get thee behind me satan because of his proposal that he should reject God's will by avoiding the cross. So every relationship that God intends for us must be geared towards God. Like I wrote earlier, God created Eve to be a help to Adam and enhance His relationship with God. He "didnt" intend Eve to have a relationship with Adam that would serve as distraction that would lead Him into sin "which is why I wrote "God expected Adam to disobey His wife and obey His voice" .
God created man to have a relationship with Him. That is the "primary" reason for His creation of man. God created Eve to have a relationship with the man that would "enhance" His relationship with God. (The same way the Church helps to manifest Christ on earth)
Besides I was also clear " Well that statement is "true" to an extent and could also be misleading depending on how one chooses to approach it. " I wrote its true to an extent. Didnt you see that? Always read carefully and reflect
..deeply before you reply. That way, you would be able to give a more balanced and accurate description of what others write.
Finally Ive written it before and I will write it again" Christian truths has nothing to do with our feelings and how they are to us. They have to do with how things are irrespective of our feelings. You write "The presence of animals on the planet doesn't constitute "the universe" "to me. " Do you understand what the word universe means? Is the earth not part of ...
..the universe? Where do animals inhabit? Where does man inhabit? Are they not on earth? Is the earth not part of the universe. The universe includes everything, the planets, our sun, the moons, the galaxies, our solar system, other solar systems outside ours (both the ones that have been discovered and the ones that havent discovered) so why do we have to bicker over irrelevant issues?
The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. It includes "planet", moons, minor planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy. Wikipedia
The universe: all of space and everything in it including stars, planets, galaxies, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/universe
Finally your statement " how could He create life only on our little planet in this tiny corner of the universe? "is rather presumptuous . Who are we to question God? God is in the heaven he does what he pleases. The psalmist wrote " When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? The same God who despite the vastness of the universe is mindful..
..of tiny and sinful people like us is the same person who has "every right" to create life exclusively on our tiny universe. Its His universe after all and He can do whatever ever He likes. (Note that I am not for or against the argument that life exists only in this tiny corner of the universe. My point simply is " We have "no right" to question God because He has "every right" to do whatever he likes: Psalm 115:3)
We must keep verses in their context, and not broaden the verses to misapply them to other contexts. Along with all the animals there was only one man, Adam, in the beginning. The animals had families, but there was no female for Adam to have company with nor to have his own family. This caused Adam to be lonely. Therefore God said that that was not good, and Adam would be happier if he had a companion. His statement was not meant for each and every male born after Adam. Because for some individual males it would be a very bad thing for them to marry or to merge with a woman and have similar offspring. And as far as extraterrestrial aliens, as human-like creatures on other planets, no, scripture speaks of no such life existing apart from God's manifested earth. When astronauts go up into outer space they have found no life, no vegetation, no creatures, and they must take up their own oxygen in order to survive.
And Adam gave names to "all cattle", and to the "fowl of the air", and to every "beast of the field"; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him Gen 2:20
Before I get into your question, God said He "It is not good for man to be alone". He didnt say "It is not good for man to alone in the universe" because there were other creation in the universe besides Adam.
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:21-22
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be "one" flesh. Gen 2:24
..male and female created he them. Gen 1:27
Adam is not different from Eve neither is Eve different from Adam. Eve is the flesh of Adam's flesh and the bone of His bone so when God made an help for Adam, He wasn't making...
.. a being different from Adam. He was expressing Adam in another form which is why Jesus tells us what God has joined together let not man put asunder. Adam and Eve are one. Eve is Adam's rib expressed as a woman. It is also important to note that Adam's 'aloneness' could only be soothed by someone that was meet (appropriate) for Him (Gen 2:18). The aloneness of Adam didnt mean that he didnt have company. There were several fowls and beasts with Him. The aloneness of Adam means..
..that Adam didn't have someone to compliment him. God brought all the animals to Adam but none was found meet (appropriate enough) for Him. Only Eve His Rib could compliment Him. Eve is that part of Adam which when expressed, compliments Him. In spiritual terms, The new Eve symbolizes the Church or the woman.( The 2nd ) Adam symbolizes Jesus, the new and restored man (1 cor 15:45) Christ can only find expression in His Church. From Christ comes the blood that purifies and cleanses us
..from all sin and when Christ cleanses us and purifies us we become inseparable from Him. We become His Church (His Body) on earth. Christ the man is invisible to the world. The Church (the new woman Eve) expresses Christ which is why the Bible tells us that he that despises us (christians) despises Christ. The Church is the wisdom of God expressed in His regenerated Children i.e those who are reborn by Christ (the same way that Eve is Adam's rib expressed as a woman) The woman is the vessel.
..she is the dark womb (empty space, receptacle) where the invisible Jesus Christ (the male) finds expression meaning the world sees Christ through his Church which further means that without the woman, Christ would not be manifest. So Adam alone means the glory of God concealed, Adam's rib expressed means God's glory made manifest which is why the woman is called the glory of the man (1 cor 11:7) The woman comes from the man means The man is the source of the woman or all that is in the woman.
But the man must pass through (be birthed by ) the woman in order to become manifest which means that the man's nature must be birthed by the woman which is why Paul claimed he was travailing in birth till Christ be formed "in" the Galatians (Gal 4:19)
The Church compliments Christ in the visible manifest world. Christ is invisible to the naked eye so he needs the Church to manifest Him here. If Christ didnt have the Church (were alone), then Christ the man wouldnt be able to make
You've made several good points about Eve, which, on the surface, I agree with. And, as you stated at the beginning, we can also agree that she was an appropriate helper complimentary to him. But he was lonely as the biblical text clearly states. Humans need relationships. In every culture, it's considered a disadvantage to be alone. It seems apparent that God did not want Adam to suffer this disadvantage.
So, my question regarding "aloneness" in the universe seems appropriate to me. I see no biblical proof there are creations like us in the universe. Perhaps, you could enlighten me. I can only speak for myself, but when there was no life discovered on Mars, I felt a great sense of loneliness. I believe there is a human need for others "complimentary" to ourselves in the universe. As our "neighborhood" expands outside our planet, our solar system, our heliosphere, we may need relationship.
Im glad that you admitted that I made several good points on Eve and that we are in agreement (on a surface level). I didn't deny the fact that he was lonely. I think my answer clearly demonstrated that "..It is not good for man to be alone". He didnt say "It is not good for man to alone in the universe". God said it is not good for man to be alone. He didn't say It is not good for man to be alone in the universe. Prior to the creation or more appropriately, the manifestation of Adam's rib...
..Eve, there were other creations on earth. The Bible makes it clear that were beasts & fowls with Him and it also makes it clear that God created the beasts and fowls before He created Adam (Adam was created on the 6th/last day)
So Point 1. Adam had company. He wasn't alone "in the universe". He was alone in the sense that he was without a help that was meet (appropriate for Him.)
2.The Word of God is a two edged sword. One side (the spiritual) reveals and the other side (the literal) ..
..kills (2 cor 3:6) so in order to get to the substance of truth we allow the Spirit of Christ to pierce the 'coverings' i.e our stubborn, carnal and literal minds i.e the veils that prevent us from perceiving truth. You write "Humans need
relationships" Well that statement is true to an extent and could also be misleading depending on how one chooses to approach it. Humans need a relationship with God. God is our "need" in this dangerous hour. If all we needed was human relationships, ...
..then God wouldnt have bothered sending His only Son to die for our sins. He would have told us to just get along better with one another and be more understanding of each other. All human relations "must" therefore be geared towards becoming more godly for God is our sole purpose for existence meaning we were created to live for and please God but due to our fall into sin, we have an inbuilt desire to stray from God and live to gain the approval of others..
and therefore our desire for relationships has become geared towards promoting and approving the self and the collective at the expense of God the truth.
The 'religion' of Relationships teaches us to, like Adam, “hearken unto the voice” of those we love rather than the One Who created them – especially if it keeps us united no matter how contrived and illicit that unity may be. This is consensus over conviction, covetousness over conscience and flesh over spirit..
It is better to be alone and have God's acceptance and approval than to have the approval and friendship of the herd which is why Jesus went to the cross "alone" (His disciples forsook Him and fled) Elijah also stood alone even when he was outnumbered by the 450 prophets of baal. The gospel of relationships emphasizes unity, harmony, peace and human relationships over Gospel truth, (Just like the United Nations.) So we "must" always put relationship with God above any other relationship.
because God is our only true need. God expected Adam to disobey His wife and obey His voice. But Adam chose obedience to the voice of His wife over truth so I think this clearly shows that a relationship with God is our true need.
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is "highly esteemed" among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15
We are created to have a relationship with God. God has come to give us a selfless pleasure which is "Himself" but we would rather add some 'childish' toys to God (i.e additions that God never intended) in order to demonstrate the fact that God is not enough for our lonely hearts. It happened in the wilderness, God provided the Israelites with Manna but they wanted meat and he ended up sending a blight among them. Its pretty sad the truth is that God is not enough for most of us. We want God..
..but we are not satisfied with God. We want to be under the protective wing of the cross but we are not ready to submit to the cross by giving up the Lordship of our lives and let Jesus be Lord. For the hungry soul, God is enough. We need not aliens. We need not extraterrestrials for God's fulness is enough to satisfy our hungry hearts. David longed for God in a dry and thirsty land where no water is. He didn't long for aliens or extraterrestrials. But a morose and carnal generation wants..
..nothing to do with God. They want aliens and extraterrestrial companions. He that has found God has found everything which is why the man seeking pearls sold "all" that he had to buy the pearl he discovered. The disciples forsook "all" to find Jesus. Jesus is all in all. Jesus is beyond Mars, Jupiter, the Milky way galaxy and the entire universe and He is present right now. Forget about aliens, grays and et phenomena. Seek Jesus for Jesus is the lost treasure that we must find in order...
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev19:10
John wanted to worship the angel but the angel rebuked Him saying worship God. In a similar fashion, we must let God be our "sole" focus, not men, angels, et's , grays etc (Acts 14:10-15)
@DEN14, The truths promoted by Christianity are not about what we "think". They are truths that we "know" for sure. Debating about whether or not aliens exist is equivalent to debating about which of the two political parties in the US is the better one. Such debates are always inconclusive and they always drain the intellectual abilities of those that choose to take part in them because both sides have their pros and cons and therefore, there can never be a clear winner in such debates
..while such debates might excite the mind and thrill the imagination, they always leave those that choose to partake in them empty and unsure. The Bible didnt tell us anything about grays because their existence is "not" essential to our salvation. The Bible did tell us that the Holy Spirit is our helper and that He will be with us forever. That we know for sure. No need of debating over that for a million years. It is sure and certain and therefore, we must embrace it.
so from an eternal perspective, what I think does not matter because it is only relative to "my own" understanding. A democrat "thinks" that his party is the best based on "his" experience, interests or his judgment but that doesnt stop the republican from equally thinking that his own party his the best. Duality is the system of confusion that blurs the mind from being conclusive. Truth is what is. What does not need to be debated what is clear, evident and obvious.
Exactly! Though no one has seen God except when Jesus walked the earth God does exist and there is proof in His prophecies that have come true and are still coming true though written thousands of years ago!