Creation: which came first? the chicken or the egg?
Chickens come from eggs, so where do eggs come from? No, not the grocery store. The egg comes from another chicken. So where did the chicken come from? Another egg you say? So if this is an endless loop, chicken from egg from chicken from egg from chicken from egg, then what is the beginning? Could it be that God created the male chicken first, and then put a deep sleep upon him, took out one of his ribs and made a female chicken; and then the two chickens got real busy and did the wild thing, and then the female chicken laid an egg? Perhaps. What do you think?
I do believe that the chicken came first because God created all things to reproduce from seed to its own kind. So every living thing reproduces of the same kind. (not out of a little sludge lying on the ground)
When you are the OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE you do not need a laboratory, or a workshop. You simply blow a bubble in space and you name all the things you want that bubble to contain. Namely, flora, fauna, rivers, seas, oceans, etc. This huge bubble spins at tremendous speeds and gets larger every second.
During the gestation period, all the things you envisaged during the planning stage, start taking form and life.
This huge bubble continues growing, until it becomes a planet. All the animals and fishes are male and female.
When the new planet is finished, you go on creating other planets, stars, galaxies and even other universes.
In conclusion, I would like to state that the chicken came first.
Unless the egg magically materialized all by itself then It would have to be the chicken. The chicken is not the only creature that defies evolution by the way, and I would assume that this is the indirect topic.
I remember seeing a documentary about this called "Amazing Creatures that Defy Evolution", and I suggest people watch it. Also another good source for this sort of thing is from the old recording from Kent Hovind.
Most enlightened Christian religions believe that evolution was created and used by God, just as an artist might make his own brushes or mix his own paint.
That being said, according to the theory of evolution and modern genetics, the egg that would result in the hatching of a chicken, came first.
This egg was the product of the mating of two near chicken-like birds, who supplied the gene that combined to form a chicken. The egg came first.
ThomatOurOnlineRelig, The fabrication of evolution was imagined by the ignorance of unregenerate man. Life, both animal and plant life species, grows from a seed into a mature or full-grown adult. Life is created and it grows, it does not evolve, growing is not evolving. There is no evolving. The lie of evolution says that the specie, man, derived from a protozoa or amoebic cell in the water, then evolved into a fish, then into an ape, then into a man. Yet all of my ancestors were persons.
Jerome and Den are you an exact copy of either of your parents, if not, why not? If God used the same method that He did with Adam and Eve, then all these thousands of generations later we should still be identical copies of what God has wrought, no matter how we got here. We would all be either Adam clones or Eve clones.
ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore, Genetically speaking, in a sense offspring are a clone or a copy of their ancestral parents. After making the protoplast he commanded his creation to "Be fruitful and multiply" That means, ....and multiply....and multiply....and multiply....and multiply....and fill the earth.
@ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore Science tells us that the ejaculate that comes from a male contains millions of sperms. These sperms are expressions of the male. It also lets us understand that each (fertile) female has thousands of eggs in their ovaries (the sperms have to fertilize the eggs in order for a new being be born) each sperm is a "unique" expression of the father and each egg is a "unique" expression of the mother so even though the child is not an "exact" copy of their parents...
..it is a unique expression of both of them which is why the offspring always takes unique features from both parents and shares many genetic characteristics with them. All the sperms in the father are unique expressions of the father (the father also inherited many of those characteristics from his own ancestors) All the eggs in the female are unique expressions of herself. (which she also inherited from her ancestors) After sex, the sperm and egg 'commingle' and produce a new being with ..
...characteristics inherited from both parents. So you cant separate the father from the son because the son was once in the father (as a sperm) and the father lives in the son (genetically) which explains why we are all sinners from birth. Adam our father lives "in" us. Everything that comes out of Adam is flawed and sinful. Since the fall of man, the seed of Adam the 1st man and our common ancestor has been passed down from generation to generation so we are all unique expressions...
Sexual Fertilization is therefore a "selection" process by which one (sometimes more) of the several multiples of a male and female commingle to form an individual or individuals. Sex is the process by which a man multiplies himself (his ejaculate) into millions of beings. It is also the process of how a woman's multiples (eggs) find expression by meeting with her partners sperm. Sex= Let one become many. No sex= Let the one remain the same.
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.2 Cor 5:1
Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.2 Pet 1:14
You are not your body. Your body is merely the vessel that you use to experience this reality. In the same way, the egg cant come 1st because the egg is merely an experience that is undergone by the experiencer...
...therefore, the experiencer is the "only" person that exists. The experiences cannot be defined without an experiencer behind them. All living organisms are experiencers that go through different experiences. A 50 year old was once an embryo, a child, an adolescent, a teen before he became an adult but all the stages that he passed through to become 50 cannot permanently define him. For example he was once a child of 2 but at 50 he is "no more" that child. He is "now" a 50 year old and of..
..course, if he lives to be more than 50 he wouldnt remain a 50 year old so the tags embryo, child, adolescent etc cannot (permanently) be defined as him. They can only be defined as experiences that he passes through as he grows up. When I have the experience of driving a Ferrari, it doesn't make me a Ferrari. In the same way, the fact that an experiencer chicken passes through the stage of being an egg doesnt make it an egg. The egg is merely an experience that it must pass through...
God created the organism that "manifests" in this world as an egg, a chick and a chicken. The organism is the "only" thing that exists but we perceive it (in this world) as eggs, chicks and chickens. The organism is "one" being having many experiences.
So the answer to the question is the egg and the chicken are merely experiences that the organism attached to the experience has to experience in order to manifest in this 3 dimensional world. The organism behind the experience is the only being that exists.
You are correct @den14. We are not "exact" copies of our parents but we are "unique" expressions of them which is why some siblings take different features from their parents i.e some take their mom's eyes while some take the shape of her nose and some her hair.
This is very true Berrinton and we all thing a little differently too, while we agree on most things a few things we take differently. We should seriously and prayfully study God's Holy Word and find His truth and the truth will set us free!
True den14. That is because of our "uniqueness". But despite the fact that we (humanity generally) think differently, we all have "one" thing in common: The sinful nature of the one source that we all come from i.e Adam (for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Rom 3:23) So in our sinful unrepentant state, we are all "unique" expressions of one person. It is the same in Christ. Christians are all unique expressions of Christ (1 cor 12:8-11). Though we are many, we are one body.
Yes we all have inherited sin from Adam and Eve and we all are sinners and come short of His Glory, but thankfully He send Jesus to suffer and die on the cross for our sins and we have a chance to be saved by His sacrifice!!! How Great God is!!!
God is the Creator of all things and things that we don't know. He created the universe and all that is in it. He is Awesome and there is none like Him! We are His children and the sheep of His pasture! Glory to God in the Highest!!
In order to properly answer your question, one must learn to distinguish between the experienced and the experiencer. The experienced is merely an experience that the experiencer or the individual undergoes. The expriencer of the experienced is the person having an experience. For example, every adult human once had the experience of being a zygote, a fetus, a baby, a child and a teen before he/she became an adult. But during each unique growth/development experience, the experiencer was the same person being perceived/perceiving himself differently so based on the above analogy,the answer to your question is both because the egg is the chicken and the chicken is the egg. Every chicken was once an egg and every egg if allowed to fully develop becomes a chicken so the chicken and egg are merely expressions of the "same organism". The labels chicken, egg are merely the experiences/ways that the chicken or experiencer perceives itself and therefore, the words chicken, egg etc cannot..
..fully encapsulate what the chicken is because they are merely experiences that a chicken passes through. A child today grows to become an adult tomorrow. He doesnt remain a child forever so the word child does not forever define him. It only defines him for a while. Creation unlike God is not static. It is dynamic. It changes in form. God is the only person who is static. He is the only person who remains the same (i.e undergoes a single eternal experience) which is why the Bible tells us
And therefore, it is impossible to separate the chicken from the egg because in every chicken is the egg and in every egg, there is the chicken (or the potential to become a chicken) so they exist concurrently. All the experiences that the chicken/experiencer must pass through are "locked up" in the chicken.
Nothing is impossible with God, Berrington. You can make all the rules that you wish and try to imply that God follows them and be 100% wrong.
You seem to miss the point that what God has wrought can be utterly simple, unbelievably complex or a little of both. It isn't your call or my call; it is His call.
Stop being reactionary @ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore because when you react rather than reflect on what people say or write, you tend to miss the big point. Which rule did I make? I didnt make any rule. I simply reflected nature. I can see that you are 70 years old from your profile. Where "you" always 70? Would you remain 70 forever. If you live to be very long you will eventually be 80, 90 etc so labels like age dont permanently apply to us. We (the entity having an experience)...
are merely experiencers having an experience in space and time. Permanently attaching your identity with your experience is equivalent to a driver claiming he is the car that he is riding. The experiencer is "not" the chicken, "not" the egg and "not" the chick. The chicken, egg and chick are merely experiences that the experiencer experiences. So God didnt create the egg or the chicken 1st because the egg and the chicken are mere experiences. They lack substance and are only defined by..
Which explains why the Bible tells us that in Eph 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him "before" the foundation of the world,.. how can @ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore who claims to be 70 years old have been chosen "before" the foundation of the world? And how did God know Jeremiah before he was born (Jer 1:5) Well the answer to both questions is pretty simple: Because they (i.e the experiencers, the eternal souls) pre-exist their experiences in time and space i.e their earthly selves.
I do not know whether you are a catholic or a christian, you seems to be laughing at the wisdom of God. You must never question His omnipotence. Just imagine the scientist of the Atom collide res are just finding more and more subatomic particles which will change the knowledge we have on the Atom. First we were taught the smallest particle is atom. Then we were told atom has a nucleus with protons and electrons. Then we were told nucleus has neutrons and properties there off. Now after lot of research scientists say that there are subatomic particles with speeds more than the speed of light (electron speed is light speed) and which can flow through some of the insulating materials. This is wonderful. Why ? Because that is the wisdom of omnipotence God. So please do not question His Creation, until you and I are in a position to answer properly. Please read Genesis 1: 31 - 20 - 25 You will see a very good reply to you problem regarding the hen and egg. Thank you.
If you go back and research the true history of the Catholic Church you will find that they (mainly the leaders) are deceiving the people and that they are Satan's Church, telling part truth and part lies. It is well to stay away from them.
Den, the Catholic Church holds to the scriptures and to Christ's words more closely than any other church. According to you the devil made them do that! Satan sure works in mysterious ways.
Ask yourself why many non-Catholic Churches fail to recognize all of the books of the bible.
ThomasOurOnlineReligiousStore, I know of an ex-catholic who is now a born-again Christian. Catholicism is just another religion out of many religions, and of course they have added their catechism and added other noninspirited and nonscriptural books tp their so-called bible. Scripture tells us not to add nor take away from God's word: or else we be found a liar, and be cursed, and our part will be taken from the kingdom of heaven.
We are to worship the Lord our God and Him only, but the Pope is god to the Catholics and is the first Pope in history who is a Jesuit. Research the Jesuits. The Catholic Church is indeed Satan's church and a lot of secrets are behind its doors. Don't take my word for it read up on it.
ThomatOurOnlineReligiousStore If you research the history of the Catholic Church you will find that they mix truth with false beliefs. Just a few, the Pope, a man can save you. Only Jesus who died on the cross can save us. He is God's Son and is God. And the only one we should Hail is the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, Not Mary who was just God's servant. If you are serious about this, research the Catholic church soon as time is running out because we are in the last days right now!
In about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year.
Martin Luther didn’t like 7 books of the Old Testament that disagreed with his personal view of theology, so he threw them out of his bible in the 16th Century. This is why the King James version of the Bible is only 66 books in length.
We will never know all there is to know. But we can pray for faith and the Holy Spirit in all the books we do have and He will show us the way. We are looking into a glass now dimly but then we will see clearly in the resurrection! God Bless you.