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Posted On: 2016-06-03 23:14:10
Can Murderes spend Eternity in Heaven by just repenting?
The messages Christianity gives to its followers, and the rest of the world, are very simple, and encouraging:
a- Repent, and you will be saved.
b- Christ was used as a “sacrificial lamb”, in order to absolve our sins, and allow us to spend Eternity in Heaven.
c-You can go to Heaven, only through Jesus.
These promises, without God’s endorsement, make me wonder about the following:
1- Can Christian MASS MURDERERS, like HITLER and STALIN, spend Eternity in Heaven, simply by repenting?
2- Can the Christian abortionists who butcher thousands of innocent, and defenseless babies, simply because they are unwanted, unplanned, and unloved, get a VISA TO HEAVEN, IF THEY REPENT?
3- Can the Christian perpetrators of the horrible Civilian MASSACRES in America, in Australia, and in Europe, go to HEAVEN if they simply repent?
4- Can the CHRISTIAN COLONIALISTS WHO MASSACRED MILLIONS of innocent indigenous Americans and friendly indigenous Australians, spend ETERNITY IN HEAVEN, simply because they repented?
Your comments will be greatly appreciated.
I am going to go with 1 John 1:9, But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.
If our God loves us enough to make a promise like that I will take Him at His word. ALL of our sins can be forgiven if we confess them. (except that one that Jesus mentioned)
David was a murderer, Stalin and Hitler were idol worshipers. To repent means you know you have done wrong and to get salvation one has to believe in his heart Jesus died for his sins and that Jesus was raised from the dead. Then that man would have to change and not kill /murder anymore. What people forget id that God blots ou forgiven sin, Satin doesn't forget and uses other men to condemn you. It is by FAITH in Jesus that you are saved not man nor any of his religions,
US dropped not 1, but 2 Atomic bombs on Civilians, killing like 200,000 people in those 2 mass killings alone. So Stalin does not hold a straw to Bible thumping US Americans. Let's not even mention that Stalin was an Allie of US when it was convenient to do. So you want to repent, start by looking in the Mirror!
Stalin/Mao killed their own people, Japan attacked America. I have looked in the Mirror. To equivalate war with murder? Stalin killed over a million Russians etc. JAPAN (killed in WWII) Military USA/Etc2,000,000 Civilians 350,000 2,350,00 Total Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen.
Go look up for yourself how many People died because of japan and don't forget their invasion of China and the South Pacific Island, The bomb save many Japanese lives because they would not have given up and it save a lot of our Military lives by invading Japan. All of which has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus is the reason for salvation. If anything abortions will be judged by God on The USA,
1st, USA Killed by some estimates 90% of Indians living in US, aka "Own People.."
2nd, as noted Stalin was an Ally of USA in the fight against Hitler.
All of which facts ads up that we should be not throwing Stone when living in a Glass House of self making.
1st, remember that Stalin was an Ally of USA & UK. Only after WWII was over him and Commuinst Soviet Union went from being one of Allies to being a Commie bad guys!
2nd, how about 5Million Vietnamese killed due to that War? To 1Million Iraqis killed due to totally unjust Iraq War? How can you repent for these killings?
Excellent points. It is really astonishing that so many Americans do not really know or appreciate the fact that Communist USSR and Stalin were Allies of US and the fact that it was Stalins communist USSR that did most of the fighting and defeating Hitler!!! As evident by the fact that after the War, as many people are doing here, started lumping Hitler & Stalin as the 2 great evil guys when again Stalin was THE Allie of US!
The true scriptural doctrine of salvation declares that it is a matter of faith, a “work” of GRACE, * requires true spiritual birth (being born again). To become fully acquainted with the right understanding of what scripture actually teaches about salvation rather than merely accepting some church doctrine over another is a responsibility every living person should make their personal highest priority. However, it is clearly a well-established fact that people only look into the things of God to the degree that they actually include HIM in their daily lifestyles. In other words, is merely God a part of one’s life, & if so how much of a part? Of course there are a few who really understand that we are all actually a part of HIS life. After all, He is LIFE - ““I am the way, the truth, and the life” – Jn. 14:6. ONLY God & the individual “repenting” really know for sure whether or not such “repentance” was genuinely unto salvation.
Although we are told we will know by their fruits what kind of person someone really is, even the worst offender can truly repent & be saved. As long as there remains within them the conscious awareness to confess, God is willing & waiting to forgive. God is NOT willing for ANY to perish, but to come unto HIM to be saved (2Pt. 5:9). “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” – Jn. 3:16.
We must ALL understand. True repentance means a literal change: of attitude, of heart, of direction, of purpose, of affections, of desires, of associations, of beliefs, & requires a sincere heartfelt willingness to appreciate & fully accept & wholly embrace the truth, while at the same time absolutely forsaking forevermore everything other than the truth & nothing less than the truth.
What I gave "thumbs down "to is Not any "truth", but the redundancy & obvious bigotry always employed by you. The subject is salvation based on biblical teaching, NOT Us sin! This is a religious forum, NOT a political one. Besides, I have come to know that the TRUTH is NOT a philosophy, but a person named Jesus Christ. No amount of critical rhetoric will ever change that. I am NOT afraid of HIM, He is my Savior - the ONLY solution to mankind's ills.
To answer your question yes I did notice the left wing political hatred come out. The question is about salvation not what a country has or has not done. Jesus set us free and America stands for freedom but America now also is condoning sin like Abortion and sexual deviants, But there is no TRUTH in some people and without The TRUTH how can one be saved?
P.S.S. Salvation is a personal matter; each individual must choose to accept it or - by default - reject it. There is no such scriptural provision for NATIONAL salvation. A person's political views have nothing to do with determining eternal destiny. It is a gift of God, NOT a result of majority rule, democratic process, or public opinion. It is NOT of this physical realm; it is spiritual.
MJThompson you have hit the point. There is not National Salvation, but a very personal one. Only Elohim knows for sure if someone who has kill other human being have really repented in his or her heart, because is the Spirit of YHWH the one who brings grace to that person and open his or her eyes to the truth of the gospel. We only can see some clues in their life+s dedication to Elohim .
True repentance and true faith in Jesus Christ and His death for us is the path to eternal life. God fully knows the heart and true repentance and faith is from the heart. I personally know three men who committed murder but truly turned to Christ as evidenced by their new attitudes and actions. The basic attitude that demonstrates repentance and faith is that of humility, which leads to owning up to our sin, not matter what it is, and full reliance upon God for the needed transformation. Faith does not proceed from pride. See Romans 1:17 which is a partial quote of Habakkuk 2:4 (tying humility and faith together). God knows that many sins such as you mention in # 3, 4, proceed from some level of ignorance. Paul understood this in his own history 1 Timothy 1:13
John 10:7, "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Yours is one of the most honest and well-thought questions presented. For the sake of space I will try to be concise. The truth is, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (Ro 3:23) Not one single human being is without sin. "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Ro 3:12) These and many other Scriptures reveal a deeply uncomplimentary truth about men. The Bible shows that man will conduct himself in ways even more gross than the animals. His can even find himself filled not with one but even thousands of the most filthy spirits of hell. "And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea." Yet those who truly turn to Christ & are born anew of His Spirit, can be saved by His power & His precious Blood.