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Can We Know if we are going to Heaven?

My Question is.... If Jesus paid for all our sins, and we accept that payment, how many would be left for us to pay for? Then, if we do not have any to pay for when we die... where would we spend Eternity?

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bartvanouwerkerk


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Yes, you can know if are going to Heaven based on whether you have helped People or hurt People.
And animals and Environment too. So I think it is a balance between how much Good you have done and how much Bad you have done. On that note, that is why NO Greedy Wall Street type will ever be admitted to Heaven, since they have done so much Harm to People and Planet, from War after War they have supported and support, to opposing something as essential as Universal healthcare for American people.
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mmerlinn 3 months 3 weeks ago

Universal health care is NOT essential to anyone. If it were essential do you not think
that Jesus would have addressed the issue at some time in his 33 years of life?

BTW, I am American and I do NOT want universal health care.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 3 weeks ago

Man you People are certified Nuts! After all there was NO idea of Universal healthcare
during Jesus time. Universal healthcare is something that came about in 20th Century as a
result of Modern medicine and health care being able to be cured. Every developed Nation
has it because it is essential to the well being of a Nation. And what you the Nut Job
wants is immaterial. What if you the Nut Job wants to jump off a bridge?

mmerlinn 3 months 3 weeks ago

When you have no argument, always attack the messenger.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 2 weeks ago

No argument! You idiot 100% of all Developed Nations have Government run Universal
Socialized healthcare. Because it gives healthcare to all their People FREE for Taxes
they/we pay, while cost 50% less than Wall Street based for profit healthcare that USA has
as a result of which 10s of Millions of Americans do not have healthcare while healthcare
is costing a deficit busting 18% of GDP. What pat of "100% of all Developed Nations " dont
you get!

mmerlinn 3 months 2 weeks ago

Calling me an idiot tells me that you have NO valid argument. If you had a valid argument
you would try to convince me, but since you don't have any convincing evidence the only
thing you can do is to denigrate me. All that does is to CONFIRM that I am correct and you
are WRONG.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 2 weeks ago

You are an "idiot" because you are against what 100% of all Developed Nations agree on.
Based on Mountain of Facts. NOT because of my argument!
And you want to be convinced, EASY. Google or Anoox:

Why 100% of all developed Nations, that is all European Nations, Canada, Australia,
Israel etc. have had Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare for Decades

mmerlinn 3 months 2 weeks ago

Since you have no facts that you want to present, I therefore believe you are blowing
smoke up your butt. If you are so incompetent that you cannot support your arguments,
there is no reason to believe you. Just reciting what someone else tells you to recite
PROVES NOTHING. Therefore, until you can support you THEORIES, there is NO REASON to
believe anything you say. Lenin once said something to the effect that if you repeat a
LIE long enough that it becomes truth to the hearer.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 2 weeks ago

Moron, it is not "reciting what someone else", it is reciting 100% of all Developed
Nations and 100% of all Conservative parties in all these Developed Nations agree with,
based on Mountain of facts that they have gathered over last many Decades to prove that
not-for-profit Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare is the only way to run
Healthcare of a Country and not the for-profit Wall Street based Healthcare that exists in
US.

What part of 100% do you Idiot Americans not get!

mmerlinn 3 months 2 weeks ago

You keep repeating the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER again WITHOUT a SHRED of
evidence to back up what you are saying.

So, according to you if 100% of people agree that something is true then it must be
true? Bullshit. My experience is that MOST people are WRONG MOST of the time. That is the
MAJOR reason that there are stock market crashes.

That is the main reason why Warren Buffett is so rich, by doing the OPPOSITE of what
everyone else is doing.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 2 weeks ago

Thank you for proving what Lunatics Wall Street Media has created!
For you freaking Moron: " if 100% of people agree that something is true", based on
facts and Mountain of data, THEN of course it is True. So it is NOT "acording to me...",
but it is according to "100% of people"!

For more Google or Anoox:

WHY 100% all Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. are 100%
for their Universal Socialized Healthcare

mmerlinn 3 months 1 week ago

Proves NOTHING as I have NEVER believed ANYTHING the media has said without proving it
TRUE FIRST. Unfortunately, the media is WRONG MOST of the time even though they control
near 100% of the news PROVING BY YOUR OWN WORDS THAT JUST BECAUSE 100% say something is
true, does NOT MAKE IT TRUE!

Finally, I hope that when you are looking in the mirror and shouting "moron" that you
are smart enough to know that you are calling yourself names.

bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 1 week ago

Again, it is not I that is calling you Moron, it is the entire Developed World that by the
Policies that they support and champion, what you Republican call "Socialism" and oppose,
that is calling you Lunatics or WORSE.

For more Google or Anoox:

WHY 100% all Conservative parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. are 100%
for their Universal Socialized Healthcare

mmerlinn 3 months 6 days ago

Apparently you CANNOT read either. I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN and I do NOT appreciate you
calling me one.

Some day when you grow up and enter the REAL world MAYBE you will then see the error of
your ways. Of course, that probably will not happen in my lifetime.


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mmerlinn


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If you want to go to heaven, that is fine with me. I would rather be with God, and according to Revelation God is going to be HERE on Earth.
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gute_frau 5 months 2 weeks ago

Yes, it is called Dog :)
That is why I have on my truck: "In Dog we Trust"
But seriously. God is going to be on Earth! How about all other planets with life?

mmerlinn 5 months 2 weeks ago

That is what Revelation says and I did not write Revelation.

At this point in time, we do not know if there is life on other planets, so I have no
answer why God says He will be here and not there.


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ronandcarol


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Can We Know if we are going to Heaven?
Yes you can be sure, our assurance is in the Bible.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life..." (1st John 5:13). God wants you to know that you have eternal life! John 5:39 says, "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life, and they are they which testify of me."

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gute_frau 5 months 3 weeks ago

Well you cannot expect that you are going to Heaven just because "assurance is in the
Bible", if you have done many Evils in this life. For example if you have supported War
after War, as many in USA have, which Wars have resulted in Killing of 100s of 1000s of
People, such as almost 1-Millin Iraqi's Killed due to US lead Wars on Iraq, then you
cannot expect that you go into Heaven just because it is written in Bible.

qlcoach 5 months 3 weeks ago

I have a feeling you are both right. Could it be that Heaven is a state of consciousness
within? When we do our best to live a positive, loving, kind, and peaceful life, I think
we enter a heavenly state of being. If we continue to engage in negative actions by
hurting others and harming our self, I think we will remain in a state of unhappiness,
which has the consequence of more pain, hardships, suffering, and ultimately
self-destruction.


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gute_frau


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7 months 4 weeks ago

Yes, if you Put People ahead of Money and Riches on Wall Street. Remember, what Jesus said:
"That Money is the root of all Evil"
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bartvanouwerkerk 3 months 3 weeks ago

Yes, very true. To be exact Money itself is not bad, but putting Money over Peoples lives
is.

mmerlinn 3 months 3 weeks ago

You misquoted Jesus. He said the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Money is NOT
evil and it is NOT the root of any evil.


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delphradio


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A lot of differing views on the subject, but as it is in a Christian forum, I would be interested in seeing the scriptural support for these ideas and the Bible verses specifically saying that heaven is the reward of the righteous.
God bless,
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mmerlinn 5 months 2 weeks ago

There is no scripture specifically saying heaven is the reward for being righteous.


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raminvan


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Yes, if you do your best to do good in the World. Which means you are for essential Social services and Oppose War and Mayhem. This pretty much means you cannot have been a member of the Republican or Democrat parties which support War after War after War after War AND have not put in place in USA any of the Social services that other Nations have such as Universal Socialized Health, etc.
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gute_frau 8 months 1 week ago

Yes, I totally agree with your statement.
If you are doing good by your fellow man by putting People ahead of Riches on Wall
Street, if you are kind to Animals and taking care off Nature, then you will go to Heaven.
Otherwise, you shall burn in HELL, based on how many of these prior points you have failed
to keep.

raminvan 8 months 1 week ago

gute_frau, you have said it very nicely.
Bravo Bravo :)

gute_frau 8 months 1 week ago

Viele Dank. Und ich Auch :)
Was ist unglaublish für mich ist warum mehr leuete nicht über Anoox kennen!


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PowerOfTheSword


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When messiah gave himself to death, and gave himself to redeem all of mankind, and not just a handful of people. The "specialized" nature promoted by the main christian stream is just that which is based upon a partial mind-set that of which is not the mind of Christ (mashiah). True impartiality does not solely apply to the mind of man which is what most tend to do because it is human nature. I have done this before myself actually. There is nothing for any of us to pay for because the messiah has done that for us. The only thing that he really requires of us is that we do what's right in the eyes of the father, obey his commands, and bend the knee to him in the fear of trembling. Messiah knows that even though man does in a sense "do there own will" he also understands better than any of us that he knowingly created all things in foreknowledge what was going to happen, and so in that sense we have all been redeemed, but all one would need to do is to intend to really know the truth.
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PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

It would be an empty promise, and would only prove that the power of the Most High has no
filling.

"9 YHWH, therefore has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every
name. 10 that at the name of Yahushuah (Jesus) EVERY KNEE should bow, of those in the
shamayim, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth. 11 and EVERY TONGUE should
confess that Yahushuah Ha' Mashiah is Adon, to the ESTEEM of YHWH the Father."

Philippians (PHILIPIYIM) 2: 9-11

PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

as far the father's underying control he knows that were not to blame for being put here
in this way, but gave us that spark to distinguish right from wrong.

7 For not one of us lives to himself, and not one dies to himself. 8 For both, if we
live, we live unto the Adon, and if we die, we die unto the Adon. Therefore, whether we
live or die, we are the Adon's. 9 For unto this mashiah died and rose and lives again, to
rule over both the dead and the living."....

PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

Cont... "10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you despise your brother? For we
shall ALL STAND BEFORE the judgement seat of mashiah. 11 For it has been written, "As I
live, says YHWH, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, and EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS to Elohim."

Romans (Romiyim) 14: 7-11

One very important reason why people will deny this interpretation is because of the
division or eternal punishment vs a punishment of correction. People do not realize that
you can be corrected too.

PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

What good is a punishment without mercy, or correction? Can you name one good thing that
can come out of it without? Are we suppose to be merciful by reflecting this attribute,
and where does the image reside were that Holy (Qodesh) character attribute originates? No
good can come out of an endless form of punishment because it is filled with
mercilessness.

" 12 Bring your heart to discipline And your ears to words of knowledge. 13 DO NOT
withhold discipline from a CHILD...

PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

Cont... "If you beat him with a rod, he DOES NOT DIE, 14 Beat him with a rod And DELIVER
HIS BEING FROM THE GRAVE."

Proverbs (MISHLEY) Chapter 13: Verses 12-14

PowerOfTheSword 8 months 4 weeks ago

CORRECTION *A Division of eternal punishment vs one of correction* because of the lack of
understanding of things such as his impartial nature, and the deeper reach of his control
over all things.


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