Share & Discuss: for best Answers, Truth, more Traffic
The non-profit Social Search Collective

Question - Topic: Religion Christian
GEO: World Wide
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
[
3
]
[1]
Posted On: 2016-05-25 10:34:35
Viewed: 3652
Who actually wrote the Bible?

Is Bible Man's Word or God's Word? Why should we read it? Can the Bible really tell us the future for mankind? Or is it just the best thinking of Men of the age when it was written? More importantly: can Bible contain errors? And if it does, then what?

Answers & Comments: 230
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach

[
3
]
[1]
10 months 2 weeks ago

You may be SURPRISED that Jehovah's Witnesses use many translations, here is a short list often quote in our literature pertaining to an array of subjects. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/

But why use different translations? Because a variety often broadens the meaning of scriptures. Case and point: Let's take a look at one scripture (Romans 11:13)

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles (KJV)
But to you foreigners I say, Then so far as I am an apostle to foreigners (BLV)
Now, I speak to you who are not Jewish. As long as I am an apostle sent to people who are not Jewish (GT)
For to you I speak -- to the nations -- inasmuch as I am indeed an apostle of nations (YLT)
Now I speak to you who are people of the nations. Seeing that I am an apostle to the nations (NWT)

Since Paul preach to Jew and the Gentiles, an apostle to the nations id the most accurate use of his apostleship.
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach

[
3
]
[1]
10 months 2 weeks ago

You may be SURPRISED that Jehovah's Witnesses use many translations, here is a short list often quote in our literature pertaining to an array of subjects. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/

But why different use different translations? Because a variety often broadens the meaning of scriptures. Case and point: Let's take a look at one scripture (Romans 11:13)

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (KJV)
But to you foreigners I say, Then so far as I am an apostle to foreigners<.b> I make much of my office (BLV)
Now, I speak to you who are not Jewish. As long as I am an apostle sent to people who are not Jewish, I bring honor to my ministry. (GT)
For to you I speak -- to the nations -- inasmuch as I am indeed an apostle of nations, my ministration I do glorify; (YLT)
Now I speak to you who are people of the nations. Seeing that I am an apostle to the nations, I glorify my minis
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
PowerOfTheSword
Member Since:2016-04-15
Located:YOUNGSTOWN - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:25
Title:NewBee

[
2
]
[1]
11 months 9 hours ago

The true author of the bible, and everything else is the Most High God (EL), but as far as people being used to in the sense to "mediate" it to physical form (IE through text) was written down by multiple people probably at least 2000 thousands of years or more I would speculate, and probably re-written/translated thousands of times. Anything that an imperfect/incorruptible person gets there hands on no matter how strongly they live in the good of there creator is still subject to corruption no matter who they are, and so yes the bible can contain errors if being managed by people, but still not impossible for someone to apply correctly. Besides the written word in actuality (it's importance aside) is but a mere reflection of his true word which is the essence of wisdom from Yah's spirit. If you really begin to awaken your mind in the light of Mashiah (messiah) then you begin to notice the complexity of how at least at minimum the christian cannon has within it including Torah.
Comments[ 2 ]
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
PowerOfTheSword
Member Since:2016-04-15
Located:YOUNGSTOWN - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:25
Title:NewBee
11 months 9 hours ago
Cont... The Psalms are much more complex than a lot of people may realize as well in the way that they were written. It's like looking into a battle strategy from beginning to end, but of a spiritual nature. The orders of them, and even more specifically the words used, and the order of the words used.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 8 hours ago
EL is a short version of Elohim, it's talking about a representative of God. The Word is a Mighty God. "I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21)

Paul calls this angel CHRIST "that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Cor 10:4

Characters remaining
prophet
Member Since:2014-03-15
Located:Melbourne - Australia
Interested in:Religion Others
Trust Level:94
Title:Teacher

[
11
]
[0]
11 months 2 weeks ago

When the HOLY BIBLE was originally printed, the HEBREW AND CHRISTIAN readers took it for granted that the many AUTHORS WHO COMPILED THE MASSIVE BOOK were guided and inspired by the OMNIPOTENT CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. Unfortunately, this did not occur. Hence the many contradictions and inaccuracies.
The famous English theologian, and author, FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULOU, recently gave a lecture in Australia, claiming that Moses never existed, and that the EPIC EXODUS NEVER TOOK PLACE.
To get a copy of her lecture, please go to GOOGLE and type her name, and surname.
Kind regards,
John Romer
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach

[
3
]
[1]
11 months 2 weeks ago

Did God die for our sins? Did God offered up supplications? Did God have godly fear? You're the one telling me that Jesus is God berrington. If Jesus is God as you say, shouldn't the scripture read this way?

And when God became twelve years old, they went up according to the custom of the festival and completed the days. But when they were returning, God remained behind in Jerusalem, and God'sparents did not notice it. Assuming that God was in the company traveling together, they covered a day’s distance and then began to hunt God up among the relatives and acquaintances. But, not finding God, they returned to Jerusalem, making a diligent search for God. Well, after three days they found God in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers and listening to them and questioning them. But all those listening to God were in constant amazement at his understanding and his answers." (Luke 2:42-47) :-)
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach

[
3
]
[1]
1 year 14 hours ago

One of several scriptures changed by man is (Matthew 28:19). Christians are to be Baptized in Jesus Christ's Name, not a triune formula.

The Bible is true but translations can be faulty because of man.
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor

[
17
]
[6]
1 year 2 days ago

I will answer your question by asking a rhetorical question: Who inspired this question :"Who actually wrote the Bible? Your logic/thought process/soul inspired the question and your body (you the human) wrote it. In the same way, The Holy Spirit (God) inspired the Bible inside men's hearts and they wrote it
Prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were "moved by holy spirit".” 2 Peter 1:21
Comments[ 149 ]
Liked By:
[
0
]
Reported By:
[
0
]
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
1 year 2 days ago
Thank you for the correct answer.
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
1 year 16 hours ago
"Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said?" - Gen. 3:1. Ever since, men have taken up the question. Is scripture really God's word? Which translation is right? What does God think about this or that? If you just empty yourself of SELFCENTEREDNESS, & be still, God will tell you!He has promised, "you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart" - Jer.29:13.
Jade123
Member Since:2013-07-08
Located:California - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:40
Title:Capitan
1 year 10 hours ago
Who cares the who isn't important it's the whats behind the words. Otherwise you've missed the point. I will bullet point the entire bible for you. truth, faith, hope, getting through times of trouble, a time and a season, laws, respect, love.
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
1 year 10 hours ago
Why no bullet point about how ALL scripture points to Jesus Christ, the real purpose of the Bible is to introduce the Savior to mankind so that they will not perish.
Jade123
Member Since:2013-07-08
Located:California - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:40
Title:Capitan
1 year 8 hours ago
Because the first part of the bible doesn't and Jesus was all about LOVE.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
1 year 1 hour ago
@Jade123 The who is important because the who is more important than the words that the who says. A man can say I love you all he likes but if you don't love him, it would mean little to you. 1 Tim 3:16 tells us "All scripture is given by inspiration of "God", and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: God inspired the scripture inside men's heart in order to radiate his nature in a language we could understand. Scripture is a...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
1 year 1 hour ago
....reflection of God. He is the person that all the words contained in it reflect. All truth in the Bible is a reflection of Christ the eternal truth. Finally the Bible is not divided into two parts. The Bible is one. It is we who are two: The old man and the new man. The old man born of the flesh sees the Bible as 2 because of the uncircumcised of his heart. He perceives the old testament as imperfect because of the blindness of his fleshy heart
But even unto this day, when Moses is ....
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
1 year 1 hour ago
the vail is upon their heart. 2 Cor 3:15
The perfection, love and purity that the old testament conveys is accessible to those who have removed the veil i.e those who have been reborn of Christ and when the veil is removed, the 2 testaments will become one meaning we would see the eternal perfection and connection in the whole scripture. That's why Jesus (who you claim is love) told us he came to fulfill (not destroy) the law

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be..
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
1 year 1 hour ago
taken away. 2 Cor 3:16
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Here's another scripture we can use Berrinton. Paul states, "If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Yup. It is the veil (i.e the carnal uncircumcised mind ruled by the accursed liar satan) that blinds unbelievers from beholding God's perfection. Note that unbelievers (as used in the verse) does not exclusively mean those outside Christ. It also means those who profess Christ but who are unwilling to believe in/submit to/appropriate His ability to unveil God's perfection to them.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
It is important to note that technically, despite their Christian profession they are outside Christ . I only wrote "does not exclusively mean those outside Christ." because in the eyes of spiritually blind men, they are in Christ.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
@MJThompson I had wanted to ignore your comment at first (because i felt it was strong enough to stand on its own) but it is so loaded that I cant resist addressing it. I is the problem. I know. I am smart. I can think. I can doubt. I can reason. I can see. That's why Jesus tells us if you were blind you will see but because you say you see that's why you remain blind. John 9:41
It is our way that keeps us in spiritual deception but God's way, what an easy an illuminating way. ...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
..Be still and know that the Word is inspired by God. Stop being 'smart' by doubting God. Stop thinking you know more than your maker FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS IGNORANCE AND FOOLISHNESS. God has come to destroy the wisdom of the wise, and to bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 1 Cor 1:19
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Jade: The first prophecy uttered by God at (Genesis 3:15) is about Christ. Who else would be the Seed to Crush Satan's Head? The Mosaic law was a tutor to lead us to Christ. Jesus stated, "I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star." (Rev 22:16) "The bright morning star is the word of God. "In the begnning was the Word." (John 1:1) "the beginning of the creation by God" (Rev 3:14)
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
Jade – As to your comment: “Because the first part of the bible doesn't and Jesus was all about LOVE”. Actually, the ENTIRE Bible (OT & NT) points to Jesus, according to HIS own words. “And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He [Jesus] expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself . . . all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning ME.” – LK. 24 :27 & 44.
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
ALSO, Jesus declared: “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and THESE ARE THEY which testify of ME” – JO. 5:39. How sad whenever the Glorious PERSON of Jesus Christ is someghow stripped from HIS rightful place of Pre-eminence, only to be considered as something less than ALMIGHTY, ETERNAL GOD, as if what HE did for man can somehow be eclipsed by what any man tries to do for HIM.
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
Take heed! Salvation is NOT in the achieving, because it has ALREADY been so achieved by Christ for man. Neither is it in the intellectual acceptance of what the Bible declares about HIM. It is the sincere heartfelt appreciation of realizing that what no man could ever hope to gain through his best efforts, GOD in Christ has freely given to ALL men who desire an eternity with GOD. Peace!
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
Berrinton - as usual, your comments continue to broaden the straight & narrow path which too many fail to heed, even when wonderfully illuminated. That ALL would fully let go of self, freeing up their hands to grasp firmly unto such truth! Sadly, man's tendency in the flesh (self) is to cling to what he desires & only loosely grab unto spiritual truth when only convenient & with what ever he can WITHOUT letting go of whatever else he continues to hold onto instead. Peace!
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
Bro Rando - Your posts are interseting. I would assume from what you share about Christ that you truly know HIM, but then you also appear to be steeped in Catholicism. Care to elaborate on the seeming contradiction? Peace!
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Sure. In John 1:1 and Rev 3:14 the greek word for beginning is arche'.
Strong's Concordance
arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
John 1:1 is talking about "the deity of Christ" not that he is Almighty God. The first instance of God in John 1:1 is not 'theos' but THEON. "theos is unsed in the second instance at John 1:1c.

theotés: deity
Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god

Jesus is the only begotten god. (John 1:18) Jesus is 'the son of God' NOT God The Son. Mediator between God and Man.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God Θεόν , and the Word was a god Θεὸς. (John 1:1)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
"God made him both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36)

Take Care,
Brother Rando
MJThompson
Member Since:2013-05-29
Located:Long Beach, CA - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:286
Title:DemiGOD
11 months 4 weeks ago
Bro Rando- I'm so sorry for the mistake on my part. You are NOt Catholic, but a Jehovah's Witness. I do Not as an etymologist or theologian agree with the translations (nor the reliability of the manuscripts cited by Watch Tower Translators). Their brain-child (NWT) is as bad a counterfeit rendition of holy scriptures asd yhe book of mormon. They both teach ANOTHER Christ than true rendeitons declare!
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
No Problem MJ. Jehovah Witnesses reject the trinity because it is simply not in the Bible but a man-made rendition. The deity of Christ is that the Word became flesh and "God made him both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36)

Thank you for your kindness. Duly noted.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
@BroRando Not in the Bible? Which Bible are you referring to cuz the trinity is clearly reflected in the Bible. You call your own nature "a man-made rendition."? The trinity is reflected in your own nature. You are an invisible though. The same you is also an invisible conscience or intellect and then you are a manifest person. You are undeniably one person who manifests in 3 ways.
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them. Rom 1:19
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Correction: I meant thought not though above.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Thanks Berrington. Who does the Bible say manifested in the flesh?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
God of course. Emmanuel = God (i.e God Himself with us)
God was manifest in the flesh,.....1 Tim 3:16
He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’ John 14:9
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Has he that has seen your manifest action not seen your abstract thought? Doesnt your action reflect your thought? I will rephrase John 14:9 to reflect you. He that has seen me has seen my thought (or the father/source which begets my manifest action) and how sayest thou then, show us my thought.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Okay thanks, lets look at the Greek and see if 'theos' is in it at (1 Tim 3:16). The word used here is (Hos Ὃς) which is a pronoun (He). Theos is absent from the verse. So the rendering of (1 Tim 3:16) is not accurate. To say God was justified in the spirit, seen by angels, taken to heaven in glory is to say he at one time not justified? God never left heaven. The Christ did.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Here another verse for consideration: "Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory." (1 Tim 3:16 NLT)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
" Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matthew 16:16) Notice Peter never stated You are God but rather "the Christ". The Jews worshiped the God of Israel.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Stop 'theologizing' and philosophizing and 'etymologizing' eternal and undeniable principles that you reflect. God is Spirit. Not Greek. Nature reflects Spirit. Greek is a mere language used to express spiritual principles. Are you not a trinity? Don't you realize that you reflect the very trinity that you deny?
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Psalm 19:2-3
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
There is no way to explain away the fact that the sun is the (primary) light source on earth. Even if you quote scientific laws from morning to night it doesnt take anything away from the fact that that is the nature of the universe. Rather than focus on the ancient language of the greeks,(language created by men) focus on your own undeniable nature. You are the proof that one person can be three. You are the proof that an invisible thought begets a manifest action.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation Col 1:15
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
You as an embryo, you as a child, you as a teen, you as an adult, you as an old man= 1 person manifesting in different ways.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Finally I will rephrase your statement "" Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matthew
16:16) . " and make it apply to you to make show you how Jesus is indeed God. Simon Peter answered, you are brorando, the son of your father. Your Father is a man. Does a man beget a goat or a chicken? Doesn't he beget a man like himself. Also your father is (was) once a son before he became your father so he is/was a father and a son at the same time.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
My Father and I are one. The two become one flesh. Literal or Spirtual? Am I my Father? Am I my wife? Are you saying God is an angel? Angels come from God. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation Col 1:15 In the beginning was the Word John 1:1
These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God: Rev 3:14

Jesus was begotten, brought forth, created, made. (Proverbs 8:22)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
brorando. Yes you are your father. You are an expression of your father. After ejaculation,, science tells us a million sperms are introduced into the woman but only one (sometimes two or more) fertilize the woman's eggs. That one sperm is a unique expression of the father. But Jesus is the fulness of God meaning unlike man that splinters into many parts, Jesus is the full expression of God i.e one seed " he does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed; which ...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
... is Christ. Gal 3:16
Christ is the "exclusive" seed of God for in Him dwells the fulness (not expression or part) of God meaning all the millions of configurations of God are accesible in Christ. The fact that you are your father is also reflected in 1 cor 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." and Rom 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Why hasnt a special specie of human arisen without sin? It is because we are all unique ...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
...expressions of Adam. Adam lives in us. His sin runs through our veins because we are unique expressions or multiples of him. That is why sex is referred to as multiplication. i.e increase and multiply. Sex is how one thing multiplies into many. Besides, the Bible never said anything about God begetting angels. It tells us Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Heb 2:14
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
And just as we are all one in Adam, unique expressions of him Christ, the "only" begotten of God is one with the Father. i.e the only expression of Him
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
You were once in your father as seed. And your Father is now operating in you as genes. i.e you get some of your features/characteristics from him.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
The seed is an offspring that is begotten or brought forth. "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth," (Provers 8:22-24)

Take Care.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Pre-emminent, ahead of the rest. The Father is a Spirit. Angels are spirits. They are also called "sons of God". "When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 28:7)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
(Job 38:7)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Oh and the seed that is begotten and brought forth does not reflect his father? Does a turtle give birth to a ram? Stop denying your nature. Man begets man. God begets God. I didnt say the Bible tells you Jesus is the only begotten son of God (John 3:16) And if the Father is God, isn't that the clearest indication that Jesus is Himself God? Finally, the statement "The two become one flesh." is not a mere speculation, theory, or literal statement. It is real. You are one in Christ. When you...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
... marry Christ, you become Christ. i.e separate from your old Adamic nature. When Saul was persecuting Christ, Christ didnt say why persecute thou my Church. He said why do ye persecute me. The Bible calls the Church Christ's body. (Eph 1:23) Yes the Church is Christ manifest to the world
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Luke 10:16
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
And who told you that the term sons of God refers to angels? Mere "assumption" on your part. You are just filling in the blanks because you dont understand who the sons of God represent.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 4 weeks ago
Your statement "The Father is a Spirit. Angels are spirits." is equivalent to me saying humans are physical manifestations, stones are physical manifestations therefore, they are the same thing.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 4 weeks ago
Let me ask you a question. Is Christ in you Berrington? Yes or No? Just asking.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
I don't see how your question is related to this topic or how it addresses any of my previous comments besides, I never like to talk about things from a "me" perspective because Christianity is not about me. Paul said I don't preach myself but Jesus Christ. Christ is in every true believer or else they wouldst be Christians
...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is "none" of His. Rom 8:9
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Sir, you went off topic a long time ago. "Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16) "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9) "let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed, " (Acts 2:36)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Went off topic long ago? Look whose talking. I think its pretty easy to see who went off topic so its a waste of time re-emphasizing it. Jesus is the Son of the living God.Wow, so you admit that Jesus is the Son of God? If Jesus is the Son of God, doesn't that automatically make Him God? Does a goat give birth to a chicken? Was your dad a turtle? Common @brorando stop being ridiculous. This is nature. Even 4year olds would laugh at your argument
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Just admit it, You are too arrogant to admit you are wrong. When you choose deception over truth you deceive no one but yourself. (and unfortunately, in some cases all the people that listen to the bullshit you promote as truth)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Thanks for writing, let's reason on the scriptures instead of cursing. You're claiming Christ is in you making you Christ. It's not literal Berrington. You're not the Christ. Jesus begets 'brothers' not other Christs. God begat a Son. (John 3:16)
God is a Spirit (John 4:24) God is not a man (Numbers 23:19) For I am Jehovah; I do not change" (Malachi 3:6) "the abuser of Jehovah’s name should be put to death without fail. The entire assembly should stone him without fail." Lev 24:16
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Why do you keep avoiding my analogy? Why don't you properly address the fact that God can only beget God? I have to be honest brorando, as much as I admire some of your posts across anoox, you are (currently) acting exactly like the recalcitrant rebellious house who have eyes to see and see not. (Eze 12:2) Of course, this is scripture that cannot be broken. God tells us in Psalm 82:6 ye are gods ye are children of the most high. Jesus (not me) told saul why do ye persecute me...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
...not why do you persecute my church. Have you read 1 cor 12:27? Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. Have you read Eph 1:23?Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. Now do you understand what a body is? Is your body you? Or is your body me. Common brorando stop denying the obvious. Yes we are Christ. He that despises the Church despises Christ. Besides Christ doesnt beget us. We beget Him. My little children whom i labor in birth till...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..Christ be formed in you. Gal 4:19
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Rev 12:5
You are Christ's mother (Matt 12:50) you give birth to (the nature of) Christ (by becoming born again of his Spirit John 3:3-5)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
And thus you become his brothers and sisters or in other words expressions of him. My hand is an expression of me. My leg is an expression of me. They cant be separated from me. They are me.
You become a son when the son cries in your heart abba father
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:15
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, ...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..Abba, Father.
"Receiving" (note the emphasis) the Spirit of adoption makes us sons whereby we cry abba father. Receiving the son (or the whole) makes us sons (or parts of the whole)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Mankind (by virtue of the 1st birth) are the sons of satan (john 8:44, 1 john 3:8) or in other words we are unique parts of the son/seed/nature that was begotten when Adam and Eve rebelled. i.e we are all expressions of their si.n On the other hand, those reborn of Christ's spirit are the sons of God or in other words unique parts of the son/nature/seed that was begotten from God i.e Christ (1 john 3:7)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Yes Adam was begotten from God but Adam is not God is he? Adam died, God cannot die. Creation can pass away if aliened from God. Mankind goes back to where they come from, the ground. Not an eternal burning hell. "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

Take Care Berrington. :-)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
brorando, still avoiding my analogy? And why are you writing 'take care'? The Bible (not me) tells us Adam and Eve were made in God's image. Does God sin? Does God lie? The answer is no. Neither did Adam and Eve before the fall because they were gods. God gave them dominion over the rest of creation. (another characteristic of God) Psalm 82:6 tells us ye are gods. Jesus confirmed it and further said "the scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35) so are you trying to call Jesus a liar?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Besides you forget a very important fact. God's pronouncement "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread
until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to
dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) came "after" the fall, not before it. It came as a the "result" of their sin. If they hadnt sinned and had eaten the tree that God permitted they would have lived forever (a reflection of their Fathers nature)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. Gen 3:22
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Besides another false statement:"Yes Adam was begotten from God. Adam was not begotten from God. The Bible tells us God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul. Gen 2:7 Adam was formed from ground and conformed into the image of his creator. But Christ is the only begotten of God i.e the exclusive expression of God from whom all other sons of God find expression John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..His "only" begotten son. What do you understand by the term only. Please check your dictionary in case you are not sure. Jesus is the "only" (exclusive) begotten Son of God. We are not begotten "from" God. We beget God (His nature) in our hearts when we accept the Son into our hearts. We are "formed"/created/made in God's image. But Jesus is uncreated He wasn't "made" in God's image. He is Himself the image of God. Who is the image of the invisible God, ... Col 1:15
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Thank you, then you admit that Adam is not God since God made him. That's the point I was trying to make. When God begets us, it's a spiritual experience. Wasn't Adam made in the image of God? He's not God is he? Jesus is in the image of God isn't he? The scirpture goes on and talks about Creation. "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;" Col 1:15 He was begotten, made, created, brought forth. Jesus is wisdom full of grace and is divine as God's Word
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Scripture interprets scripture. "These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, b:" (Rev 3:14) Jesus is the Firstborn and Beginning of Creation is about his deity.

Strong's Concordance
arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning

Kione Greek uses Feminine Nouns...
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
to describe things that are created.

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e.
has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Jesus was First to be Created and Creation came THROUGH him as God's Master Worker/Craftsman or Architect. "All those for whom I have affection, I reprove and discipline." (Rev 3:19)

.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
@BroRando You are still not getting the point. We are not God in "ourselves". In ourselves we are Adam i.e sinners or expressions of his sin. We are God in Christ. Yes!!! Adam was God when he was "made" in God's image. Yes he had dominion over God's creation. Yes he was eternal. Yes he was without sin. Characteristics of God But he chose not to abide in God (John 15:5) He chose to rebel and that cut him off from God and plunged him into the sinful nature that all earthmen partake in
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
I dont think you fully digested what I wrote earlier so read it again Mankind (by virtue of the 1st birth) are the sons of satan (john 8:44, 1 john 3:8) or in
other words we are unique parts of the son/seed/nature that was begotten when Adam and
Eve rebelled. i.e we are all expressions of their sin On the other hand, those reborn of
Christ's spirit are the sons of God or in other words unique parts of the son/nature/seed
that was begotten from God i.e Christ (1 john 3:7)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Besides you are still closing your eyes to the fact that God did not beget us. He created us. Since you appear to be affiliated with the witnesses i will quote the new world version: "“For God loved the world so much that he gave his "only"-begotten Son,.. Jesus is the "only" begotten Son of God so why do you claim contrary to the very scripture that you profess that God begets us? God doesn't beget us. We beget God when we accept Christ. I have made that clear previously but of course....
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
...you are more interested in defending a non existent point. Jesus was not created. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God John 1:1. If Christ (who is the Word) existed in the beginning, then the question becomes when didn't he exist since there is nothing before the beginning?
Beginning:the point in time or space at which something starts.
So if Jesus was there at the start and if Jesus, the Word created all that exists or will ever exist(John 1:3) ...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
...i.e creation doesn't that show you that Jesus is indeed the creator and that he preexists everything created because he is before all things?
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:17
Besides, you still haven't touched on my previous questions. Dont think I have forgotten. I just chose to ignore that in order to answer your latest posts.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth now relate that to John 1:3: All things were made by him; and without him was "not any" thing made that was made. Who did the Gen 1:1 tell you created the heavens and the earth? God. Who did John 1:3 tell you created "all" things the word who John 1:1 calls God. And yet you blindly argue Jesus is not God. Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Job 38:2
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Heb 7:3 Notice the emphasis: In being fatherless, motherless, without genealogy, "having neither a beginning of days nor an end of life, but being made like the Son of God," he remains a priest for all time. New World translation
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
So was King Mel·chizʹe·dek. Is King Mel·chizʹe·dek God? Or was he made like the son of God being being High Priest? God is not a High Priest, a high priest mediates between God and Man.

"the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.” (Hebrews 5:4-5)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
"Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:8)

If Jesus is God, then can we assume that God learned obedience from the things he suffered?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Lol so thats all you have to write? Why didn't you address my comment about how we are not begotten by God? Or answer any of my previous questions? Anyways, you are very stubborn I already knew you were gonna challenge that. Read carefully because the answer is contained in the verse "but being "made like" the Son of God. (mind you that is the jw bible i quoted from) What do you understand by the statement being made like? Melchizedek WAS MODELED AFTER CHRIST but he isnt Christ.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Adam was "made" i.e created in "God's image. So he wasn't originally God (in his natural state) he was modeled after God. So Melchizedek is a "symbol" heralding Christ, the same way the law is a symbol of reality but not reality itself. For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Heb 10:1
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Nope, read again. "“You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.” (Hebrews 5:6)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Finally what a silly statement "If Jesus is God, then can we assume that God learned obedience from the things he suffered? " Please think before you reply. God became man. What do you understand by the statement became? If a goat became a chicken tell me what do you think would happen? In becoming a man, God had to learn how to be limited walk and crawl, how to eat and sleep and how to despite all the limitations of his human experience, do what was right.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Besides let me rephrase your dumb statement to show how silly it is If Brorando is now a man who eats solid food, then can we assume that brorando was never once a young boy who fed on breast milk? Well according to your dumb argument brorando must always eat solid food.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Tell me how your new quote "Nope, read again. "“You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.”
(Hebrews 5:6) disputes this "but being "made like" the Son of God" Why are you cleverly avoiding the fact that he was made like the son of God. Of course Christ is priest "forever" in the manner of Melchizʹedek and the Bible further explained why and I quoted it to you and rather than address me you tell me nope. Why nope?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
the same brorando who fed on breast milk is the "same" person who now feeds on solid food. The same brorando who can read and write is the same person who couldnt read or write. The same brorando who was an embryo is the same one who is a man. Its all you manifesting differently.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
I'm glad I quoted from the new world translation so you dont have the excuse of translation. New world translation tells you that He "made like" the son of God. Perhaps you are gonna claim it is lying.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Berringtom, your quote, "God had to learn" is not in the Bible, but a man made theology. I mean if that you believe God had to learn and he is not all knowing. I have another question.

If God learned Obdience then who was he going to be Obedient too ?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
By manifesting in time, the infinite, eternal and boundless nature of God contracted into a limited single person. That person had to grow. He had to breastfeed, he had to learn how to walk and talk. He had to crawl. He had to learn the human experience because he isnt human.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Lol what a silly statement. You quoted it. I didn't. He (the son of God who of course is God) learnt obedience by the things he suffered. And since your dad isnt a turtle and since you haven't denied that in nature like gives birth to like, then you indirectly admitted that Jesus is God.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
When you learnt obedience,who were you learning it for? , when you breastfed, who were you breastfeeding For? For yourself silly
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for "our profit", that we might be partakers of his holiness Heb 12:10
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
God learnt obedience for his own sake in order to save us from our "sins" HE NEEDED TO BECOME THE PERFECT SACRIFICE.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Interesting thought. Did God die for our sins?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
He was already perfect in his infinite nature. But out of love and with a desire to destroy the imperfection in our flesh he "took on " our "imperfect" body (contracted nature) in order to save us from our sins and in taking that imperfect nature, he had to develop from stage to stage in it. The Bible describes Jesus as a baby. Do you think he could talk as one. It describes him as 12 and then 30. The one who did not know sin,+ he made to be sin* for us, so that by means of him we might...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
become God’s righteousness. New world translation.
I have answered your new question in different ways but you have refused to see it so rather than answer you directly, i will ask you another question which will address it. Is your Dad a turtle or a man?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
In the sphere of God, God is eternal, infinite perfect, flawless and unchanging. But in the sphere of men, we are mortal, finite, imperfect, flawed and changing. The nature of this world is change. I cant just become an adult in one day. I have to grow before i become one i.e it takes time to become one. So when the perfect and infinite God became man, despite his perfection, he had to manifest His eternal perfection in linear time. i.e in stages. He had to learn how to talk, read etc.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
God was always a Spirit. "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24) God is not a man. Numbers 23:19 "For I am Jehovah; I do not change." (Malachi 3:6)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
Notice Jesus never stated God is a Ghost because he doesn't lie. Ghost is a trinity fabrication and it bears false witness. It says all parts of the trinity have No beginning. Is that true or a lie?

In the beginning was the Word John 1:1
the firstborn of all creation Colossian 1:15
the beginning of the creation by God Revelation 3:14

Where is Jesus Christ in the trinity doctrine? The trinity is a generic formula with No Names.

Take Care.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
Lol of course no answer to my question. I know you've only got eyes that see the things that you wanna see so i am not surprised at all. Anyways, your stubbornness aint taking you anywhere. Its only gonna keep your mind in the shackles of ignorance and darkness. God is not man. God "became" a man for our sake.
For verily he "took not on him" the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:14.
I manifest my (abstract) thought as (manifest) word in order to aid people..
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..in understanding my invisible desires. In like manner, the father or source manifested the son or word in this world of space and time in order to make himself manifest to us. That is why Jesus is called Emmanuel i.e God with us and thats why he says he that has seen me has seen my Father.
And just so you know, the fact that Jesus is the beginning and firstborn doesn't mean that Jesus has a beginning. The Bible tells us he is before all things and in him all things consist. It also tells..
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
All things were made by him; and without him was "not" any thing made that was made. John 1:3. Jesus is "Himself" the beginning. I am Alpha and Omega, "the beginning" and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13. Meaning every created thing began with Christ or in other word,s we all get our origin from Christ or still in other words, when we were in Adam (before the fall), we were expressions or languages of the Word Christ which further means that every living thing is "intended to"....
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
..radiate or be an expression of Christ's life but the fall changed all that. We became expressions of our fallen father adam. (John 8:44)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
The firstborn 'opens' the womb. (Luke 2:23, Exo 13:2). In like manner Christ is called the firstborn because he is the "exclusive" way out of the dark womb or tomb of our ignorance.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
I just remembered that you only have eyes that see the things you wanna see so I will requote Heb 7:3 " In being fatherless, motherless, without genealogy, "having
"neither" a beginning of days nor an end of life, but being made like the Son of God," he
remains a priest for all time. New World translation (Jehovah's witness Bible)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
God is not a priest or a mediator Berrington. Did God exhalt God? Or did God exhalt his only begotten Son? Jesus has No Father? The Son of God is High Priest not God.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 3 weeks ago
God is not a priest? Common brorando dont be silly. The proof that God is indeed a priest lies in the answer to my previous question: Is your father a turtle? Doesnt like give birth to like? But of course you are aware of the stupidity of your argument so you have turned a blind eye to it. Yes God is a priest. Yes your conscience is the mediator between your action (i.e what you use to manifest your thought) and your thought (the source of your action)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 weeks ago
What scripture states that God is a priest?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, "Jesus the Son of God", let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:14:15

The Son of of @brorando ( a man) is......
Therefore, the Son of God is....
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 2 weeks ago
Son of God, not God the Son. Jesus Chrsit is far removed from trinity doctrine. Look it up, you won't find Jesus Christ in the dogma.

"During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear." (Hebrews 5:7) Did God die for our sins? God offered up supplications ?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
Lol dumb statement. Son of a man (brorando), not man, the son. Of course the son (i.e son of brorando) is a man. Like always gives birth to like silly.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
1.Son=man
man=son both ways work so

2.God=Jesus
Jesus= God both ways also work

3.Son= God
God= son both ways also work
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 2 weeks ago
As he was going on his way, a man ran up and fell on his knees before him and put the question to him: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God." (Mark 10:18)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
Lol so Jesus is bad? Why stoop to the level of twisting scripture in order to justify a stinking corpse of an argument? Jesus is good silly. He is sinless
(2 cor 5:21)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 2 weeks ago
Quoting Jesus is not twisting scripture berrington. The trinity is simply a foreign doctrine absent from scripture. Adding it, is twisting to give a different meaning. The One is God. Jesus softly rebuked the man asking, “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God." (Mark 10:18) Jesus teachings are very different from your trinity now isn't it?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
@brorando, Do you think before you reply? Common, stop being ridiculous . Its pretty obvious that You twisted scripture in order to make Jesus look like he was bad in order to save your dead argument. Jesus tells us "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. So are you trying to say Jesus is bad? Even the new world translation (Jehovah, witness Bible) tells us Jesus is without sin. So is the Bible lying when it says Jesus is without sin? And since if it is true that Jesus is...
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 2 weeks ago
And if it is true that Jesus is good, then according to your dead and long buried argument, Jesus was lying when he said none is good save one, God because He is also good. Jesus is God silly . I thought you would have realized that no amount of twisting and turning can change that immutable fact Why stoop to the level of denying the very scripture you profess in order to save a dead argument? Would you rather perish in error than admit your stupidity?
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 2 weeks ago
Jesus doesn't apply 'good' to himself as he had already eloquently explained at (Mark 10:18). However, the Bible uses another term. " For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18) Take Care.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 1 week ago
Lol you are craftily and tacitly trying to imply that Jesus isn't good in order to save face. I cant believe the level you have chosen to stoop to in order to justify your stinking corpse of an argument. Jesus is good silly. You said it yourself " He is a righteous person. Is righteousness bad? 2 cor 5:21 tells us Jesus is without sin. Is that bad? He was tempted in everyway and yet "without" sin. And that is what makes Him the perfect sacrifice. And since Jesus claimed that..
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 1 week ago
God alone is good, then it means that He is Himself God because he is good and cannot lie.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 1 week ago
If Jesus is God, then the scripture would say as you claim, but it doesn't. God didn't die for our sins.

"Christ died
a righteous person for unrighteous ones
in order to lead you to God."


Jesus is the WAY berrington. "But there are some of you who do not believe... “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:64-65)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 1 week ago
Excellent! You said, "God alone is good". Now look and SEE. “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God." (Mark 10:18)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 8 hours ago
And Jesus is bad right? Is Jesus bad?
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 7 hours ago
That is your testimony against Christ not mine.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 7 hours ago
Lol we both know that it is your testimony silly cuz you are the one trying to imply that he was bad. If Christ is good and if it is true that God "alone" is good then what does that mean?
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 7 hours ago
New International Version
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

New Living Translation
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Only God is truly good.

English Standard Version
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Berean Study Bible
"Why do you call Me good?" Jesus replied. "No one is good except God alone.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 6 hours ago
Rather than quote a verse that I do not deny, why dont you answer this simple question: Is Christ evil/bad?
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 6 hours ago
You have already denied the Christ. You teach a foreign baptism contrary to what the Bible teaches, " With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they requested him to stay for some days." (Acts 10:48)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
11 months 6 hours ago
What does our debate have to do with baptism and when did I mention anything about baptism? Lol why are you so scared of answering my question @Brorando? Yes or no is Christ evil/bad? No surprise you suddenly became blind when you saw my question.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
You already denied "that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures;" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
"The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.  Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses." (Acts 3:13-15)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
New International Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

New Living Translation
For it is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob--the God of all our ancestors--who has brought glory to his servant Jesus by doing this.

English Standard Version
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesu
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
“Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God." (Mark 10:18)
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (John 10:34)

Jesus was sent by his Father, as the Son of God. (Psalms 82:6 KJV) What does Holy and Righteous mean to you? A righteous one was put to death.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
New Living Translation
I say, 'You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.

English Standard Version
I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;

New American Standard Bible
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
American King James Version
That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

American King James Version
And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
11 months 3 hours ago
20Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
I didn't ask you to quote verses that I am familiar with. I asked a simple question: Is
Christ evil/bad? But of course you would rather quote the whole Bible for me than answer yes or no. You suddenly became blind when you saw my question. I will rephrase my question in the hope that your eyes might reopen. Is Jesus Good? Yes or no. You don't need to quote the whole Bible. Just answer yes or no
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
10 months 4 weeks ago
Did God die for or sins? Yes or No.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
Lol why answer a question with a question? Besides I have answered that question previously and I asked 1st so why are you stalling? Why is it so difficult for you to give me a yes or a no? Just in case you didn't see the question, here it is again: Is Jesus Good? Yes or no.
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
10 months 4 weeks ago
American King James Version
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Since Jesus is not God, he asked, "Why call you me good?" I showed you scripture that calls Jesus (righteous) but true to Satanic form you denied it.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
Lol why is it so hard for you to answer a simple yes or no to my question pathological liar brorando?
BroRando
Member Since:2016-05-20
Located:PHOENIX - United States
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:71
Title:Coach
10 months 4 weeks ago
Your true color are coming out Legion. Let me spell it out for those watching.

American King James Version
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

None Good But ONE, that Is God. Why call you me good? When berrington calls Christ Evil he speak for the Devil. When I quote Jesus, he calls me a liar because the Word of God doesn't fit his man made doctrines. :-) (Daniel 12:10 KJV)
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
I didnt ask for the verse. I already know the verse. I asked for a simple yes or no mr liar brorando. Why is it easier for you to write almost 500 letters than it is for you to write yes (3 letters) or no (2 letters)?
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
Its pretty obvious that you are using words like legion and making false accusations that that I called Jesus evil in order to cover your stupidity and lies and avoid answering my question. Wow, you are such an incredible liar and it is such a shame.
BERRINTON
Member Since:2013-04-23
Located:NA - Canada
Interested in:Religion Christian
Trust Level:111
Title:Mentor
10 months 4 weeks ago
You are such a disgrace. A so 'called ' Christian who would rather lie on others (and on the God that he professes to serve) and blaspheme God than admit his foolishness and repent. Its people like you that make unbelievers mock Christianity.

Characters remaining



Change Topic



Advertising
All Anoox free services are Advertising supported. Please support our Advertisers by visiting their Site and supporting them.
Ad: Guide to ethic – Proven
Calling the humanist bluff!
Examples of humanist failures.
And the victory over all evil
provided by
Ad: French English Bilingual/
Enjoy the word of God in both
French and English and other
languages when you use the
revolutionary
Ad: Christian Translation
Christian Translation services
into more than 125 languages.
Translate your Christian
materials into