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Posted On: 2016-01-15 21:30:50
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IS THE CROSS AN APPROPRIATE SYMBOL of Christianity?

The Roman Cross was basically an instrument of excruciating torture. The protracted, agonizing, pain, and loss of blood, eventually caused the death of the crucified person.
If Jesus were alive today, I am certain that He would not approve of such an evil device being used as a religious symbol. Why? Because the Cross represents all the bad things that Jesus abhors. Namely, cruelty, violence, brutality, barbarism, inhumanity, torture, sadism, and Satanism.
The infamous INQUISITION and the RACIST KU KLUX KLAN used the Cross as a religious badge, to murder thousands of innocent people, in the name of Jesus.
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I am going to make this simple, and sweet so as not to rile too many people up... According to scripture it is a form of Idolatry because it is a symbol of only of that which is on the earth of which is written (I cannot remember the verse) "not to make any image of that which is on the earth" (hence the torture stake), and even more if it a crucifix it is also associated in the same area of scripture where it says "You shall not make an image of that which is in heaven" (hence the image of messiah)

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I meant *It is not only a symbol of the earth, but also of that which is in heaven*
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Many view the cross as the most common symbol of Christianity. However, the Bible does not describe the instrument of Jesus’ death, so no one can know its shape with absolute certainty. Still, the Bible provides evidence that Jesus died, not on a cross, but on an upright stake......

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I absolutely agree that you could be right for one thing none of us were there when this all happened, and so we do not even have a first hand account of it either.
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An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·rosʹ. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·rosʹ] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”

In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the
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It is the Greek word xyʹlon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
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Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”
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IS THE CROSS AN APPROPRIATE SYMBOL of Christianity? YES
Sometimes a symbol of hatred or torture can be turned into a symbol of love and lose its sting forever after.
The Klan was a group of people, who mainly hated and hunted down Republicans in the South. They were political criminals, not religious ones.
The Inquisition was pushed by the King of Spain (not the Universal Church) and it was both religious and political in nature.
The symbol of death in Jesus' time is now the symbol of salvation. The Klan, Inquisition, Nazis and Jihadists shall all pass away, but the Cross as a symbol of strength and love shall not pass away.
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Is ANY symbol an “appropriate” representation of Any organization? Who would argue the “appropriateness” of the Swastika symbolizing Nazism? Yet such symbol represents far more things long before it became associated with Hitler’s movement. So, perhaps the better question would be is it appropriate forTODAY'S world? Early Christians who feared Roman retribution against their faith used to draw half an “ichthus” in the sand (the Greek word for fish). Faithful strangers would identify themselves as likeminded believers by finishing the etching, making a whole fish symbol. The cross became a more universal symbol of Christendom when Justin Martyr, a Christian apologist writing in 150–160AD, argued that God had providentially put the shape of the cross in everyday objects, such as the masts of ships, tools likea plough & an axe& the standards of Roman legions. Christians would often pray standing up with their arms stretched out in the form of a cross.
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. As early as the 200s, Christians were making the sign of the cross with their hands. The cross was so important that pagans charged Christians with worshipping the cross. Early Christians used a wide variety of symbols to express their faith. 2nd-century Christian teacher Clement of Alexandria identified a dove, a fish, a ship, a lyre, and an anchor as suitable images to be engraved on Christians' signet-rings (or seals). Archaeologists have discovered a gold finger-ring from the
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the third or fourth century that depicts an anchor, cross, lamb, shepherd, dove, and the abbreviation for Christ. The ‘appropriateness” of ANY symbol (cross or fish) must be determined by what response it evokes, does it bring one to an immediate recollection of Christ’s sacrifice & love, or does it instill fear & ridicule by non-believers?
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As for the "bad things" such a symbol identifies, the cross of Chrst also represents the alter on which the Son of GOD offered Himself as the only acceptable sacrifice for man's sin, thereby opening the WAY to reconciliation with God & man. Thats a pretty big "PLUS" to true believers!
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Dear Mr. Thompson,
Thank you for your comprehensive reply. I apologize for habitually asking embarrassing questions. I is my way of making people think hard, and , hopefully, rectify some traditions, and habits, that are no longer acceptable, or appropriate.
The early Greek Christians selected the humble fish as the symbol of Christianity, because it provided them with a secret pictorial I.D., a secret password, and a secret Greek anagram forming the words: "Jesus Christ God's Son Savior"
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Thank you for your comprehensive reply. I apologize for habitually asking embarrassing questions. I is my way of making people think hard, and , hopefully, rectify some traditions, and habits, that are no longer acceptable, or appropriate.
The early Greek Christians selected the humble fish as the symbol of Christianity, because it provided them with a secret pictorial I.D., a secret password, and a secret Greek anagram forming the words: "Jesus Christ God's Son Savior"
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Dear Mr. Thompson,
Sorry for the duplication of responses. I must have exceeded the limit of 500 characters, and got flashing lights when I tried to squeeze in the words:
Kind regards,
John Romer
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And thank you for athought provoking question. Peace!
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The cross is not actually the symbol of Christians, their are many different kind of crosses you will find in the world today, even the satanic group uses the cross as their symbol and some other bad organization. The cross only serve as a reminder of Christ crucifix on the cross of Calvary. Some Carry it for deception.The right symbol of a christian is the world of God, not what you can see as a symbol on the outside, but on the inside. A true worshiper worship God in truth and in spirit.
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—Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14.
—2 Thessalonians 2:15. 2 Corinthians 6:17.
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—Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14.
—2 Thessalonians 2:15. 2 Corinthians 6:17.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/did-jesus-die-on-cross/#?insight[search_id]=8307ce6b-a6bf-4be1-a227-6ec2bd999241&insight[search_result_index]=3
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For years the Romans persecuted Christians. Christians were crucified, tortured, imprisoned and fed to beasts in the arena. They had to meet in secret in the catacombs of Rome. Others fled to distant lands or into the wilderness. In the early fourth century, a Christian Roman emperor named Constantine was leading his army towards Rome. Emperor Maxentius opposed him at the Milvan Bridge in Italy. Constantine was praying and had instructions to make his soldiers draw crosses (chi-rho) on their shields and to go forth and conquer for the glory of God. Constantine won a decisive battle. Upon assuming control of the Roman empire, Constantine legalized Christianity. He curtailed animal sacrifice and building pagan temples. Eusebius recorded these things.

Remember the cross as what Jesus was willing to suffer for us.

Matthew 10:28 Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. (WEB
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Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Matt 16:24
No it is not. Christianity is about Christ and Christ alone. The cross of Christ is not a physical device but a means of surrender to the will of God (death to self) . The cross is the will of God that slays the will of the old man. Because of our spiritual blindness, we always tend to have the atheistic tendency of shifting our focus from the Spiritual realities of God to the things we can touch, see and prove with our senses. The Israelites demonstrated this tendency in the wilderness when they rejected the God that they couldn't see physically & created a calf that they could see and touch.They also demonstrated this tendency when they worshiped the bronze serpent that was meant as a mere representation of Christ the savior that saves us from the bites of satan the serpent .
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Besides, the cross was/is a pagan symbol and was/is used to represent the sun god i.e the spirit of this world hanging on the southern cross during the winter solstice i.e ‘sol-stice’ – sun standing still and dying. (southern cross symbolizes the body which makes people ignore i.e kill/make latent the spirit) The cross also symbolizes the two extremes of the forbidden tree of Eden: good and evil.
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Every religious/occultic/intellectual system emerged from the concept of the duality of the forbidden tree of Eden: Two wires positive and negative produce current. A battery has two terminals positive and negative. We have two sides i.e left and right and are divided into two sexes male and female. The sun (male light giver) rules at day and the moon (receptacle) reflects its light at night. Even plants have the anther (male) and stigma (female) parts
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This is the origin of the hypnotic control of humanity through the deception of duality. Creation is energy and energy in its 'pure' form is light, and all energy has an electrical field. These fields are the positive (male i.e spirit) and negative female (matter( poles. The cross symbolizes the merger (sex) of these poles which creates a new child (new world order)
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The two lines of the cross represent the merger of the two forces (in some pagan traditions, the four forces north south west east) of nature into one pure substance.
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In pagan/occult circles, the cross can be used positively and negatively:
Positive use of the cross: When the vertical (male or light) side of the cross rules over the horizontal (female, dark or matter) side of it. When this happens, occult enlightenment and the godhood which satan promised eve in Eden is attained (the occult enlightened man)
Negative use: When the horizontal rules over the vertical. When this happens, ego and ignorance is the order of the day (the natural man)
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BERRINTON _ Well stated!!!
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Experiment: Let Gods Word Speak For Itself—Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14./2 Thessalonians 2:15 /2 Corinthians 6:17.

Draw Your Conclusions Based On Gods Wo. First. Then Read This Article http://bit.ly/1mKjnMHrd

Whenever You Ask A Biblical Question and Nobody Opens Gods Word. run In The Opposite Direction lol
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